# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 333
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6643 "2018-08-22T03:39:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > . Staying President at least gives him immunity and some pardon power, so he might _have_ to stay in the job for as long as possible, just to stay out of jail. If staying president is the only thing keeping you out of jail, we should probably reexamine those rules. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6644 "2018-08-22T04:10:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I can’t stand Trump, but I have a hard time seeing how the conviction of an ex-campaign manager on tax and banking charges stemming from a time before he had anything to do with Trump should have any impact on Trump at all. Please explain. I would offer this comaprison - Nixon was certainly not in any way responsible for the crimes his VP, Agnew, eventually pled nolo contendre/no contest to. But, this just supported the idea Nixon and his staff were willing to do corrupt and illegal things. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The Cohen stuff, if corroborated, seems much more serious to me. Hell yeah. Kind of a John Dean moment potentially. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6645 "2018-08-22T04:39:01Z")
Hannity’s episode tonight was to complain about Hillary not being arrested. > **[Sean Hannity Melts Down About Hillary Clinton On Day Manafort, Cohen Become...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-hillary-clinton-manafort-cohen-convicted_n_5b7cb953e4b0cd327df7b1e2?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=main_fb)** > > But her emails, the Fox News host lamented. And Donnie’s rally crowd chanted “Lock her up” > **[Trump rally crowd chants "lock her up" as Trump ignores Manafort and Cohen](https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17766468/trump-rally-manafort-cohen-clinton-lock-her-up-west-virginia)** > > That’s 2018 in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6646 "2018-08-22T04:44:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hannity’s episode tonight was to complain about Hillary not being arrested. > [Sean Hannity Melts Down About Hillary Clinton On Day Manafort, Cohen Become Felons | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-hillary-clinton-manafort-cohen-convicted_us_5b7cb953e4b0cd327df7b1e2?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=main_fb) > > And Donnie’s rally crowd chanted “Lock her up” > [Trump supporters chant “lock her up” as Trump ignores Manafort and Cohen - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17766468/trump-rally-manafort-cohen-clinton-lock-her-up-west-virginia) The more trouble Trump’s in, the more his supporters are going to focus on [del]Emmanuel Goldstein[/del] Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6647 "2018-08-22T04:46:03Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The more trouble Trump’s in, the more his supporters are going to focus on [del]Emmanuel Goldstein[/del] Hillary Clinton. Excellent reference ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6648 "2018-08-22T05:06:55Z")
I think Trump’s team must have used a dart gun to tranquilize him as soon as he got on Airforce 1. He hasn’t tweeted a thing yet… ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6649 "2018-08-22T05:48:40Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I think Trump’s team must have used a dart gun to tranquilize him as soon as he got on Airforce 1. He hasn’t tweeted a thing yet… Just wait. I expect this next round to be a doozy. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6650 "2018-08-22T05:59:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The more trouble Trump’s in, the more his supporters are going to focus on [del]Emmanuel Goldstein[/del] Hillary Clinton. I had to look it up, but damn right, excellent reference. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6651 "2018-08-22T06:44:15Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I had to look it up, but damn right, excellent reference. Yeah — wow. “Two minutes hate” (on each evening’s broadcast, toward a possibly fictitious political foe) indeed. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6652 "2018-08-22T07:00:24Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > > [@steatopygia](#): > > > > I had to look it up, but damn right, excellent reference. > > Yeah — wow. “Two minutes hate” (on each evening’s broadcast, toward a possibly fictitious political foe) indeed. Looking forward not really to Hate Week (probably late October): > [@](#): > > On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns — after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of [DEL]Eurasia[/DEL] Hillary had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 [DEL]Eurasian war-criminals[/DEL] Democratic officials who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces … ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6653 "2018-08-22T07:29:27Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Whatever else may happen in the next few months, it’s now looking highly unlikely that Trump will see out the entirety of his first term, much less a second. Time for a sip of Scotch indeed. Give me the names of Republican senators who would vote to remove him under any circumstances. Corker, Flake, McCain not eligible, they won’t be around. I can think of two - Collins and Murkowski. Romney maybe if he replaces Hatch. You’re gonna need 15 - 19. You think Lindsey Graham will ever vote to remove? Dream on. He hasn’t been _ **warning** _ Trump not to fire Mueller, he’s been _ **begging** _ him, so he won’t have to look like even more of a stooge when he votes to acquit. Do you really think Trump will quit? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6654 "2018-08-22T07:56:07Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > Do you really think Trump will quit? Nope. Free flights to his golf course. “The BEST golf course”. Not to mention free flights to his supervisor/employee meetings in Moscow. And not to ever mention doubling the price of rooms at “the BEST” golf course, charging the same rate to Secret Service members… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6655 "2018-08-22T08:43:53Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yes, but unfortunately this is what thinking people know. His supporters applaud and to trump is just another day at the office. I think the simultaneously realistic and optimistic way to view the events of yesterday is that while most of Trump supporters are still committed to #MAGA, there will be some who will permanently jump off the Trump train. Politics is one thing, but a jury of peers looking at evidence and concluding guilt on 8 charges while offering no acquittals is a big deal. And we’re just getting started. Yesterday was beautiful - and on top of that, Duncan Hunter just got indicted. The Republican party is increasingly being exposed for operating more like a crime organization than a political party. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6656 "2018-08-22T09:59:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think the simultaneously realistic and optimistic way to view the events of yesterday is that while most of Trump supporters are still committed to #MAGA, there will be some who will permanently jump off the Trump train. Politics is one thing, but a jury of peers looking at evidence and concluding guilt on 8 charges while offering no acquittals is a big deal. And we’re just getting started. > > Yesterday was beautiful - and on top of that, Duncan Hunter just got indicted. The Republican party is increasingly being exposed for operating more like a crime organization than a political party. Do you seriously think those morons will accept the jurors made the correct decision? They will start harassing and threatening the jurors and the judge and, especially, the prosecutors. Trump is to them what the said Obama was to Democrats. The cognitive dissonance is literally weopanized here. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6657 "2018-08-22T10:07:09Z")
p.s. I’ve mentioned this here before. “MAGA” is bullshit. America has been great for well over two hundred years. What makes those MAGA scum think it’s not great is their prejudice. They just cannot accept a Black man as president. Thst’s why they lie about his birth and his religion. They also cannot accept a woman as president and that’s why they lie about her, too. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6658 "2018-08-22T10:11:51Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty After Giuliani Offers to Be His Lawyer](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-after-giuliani-offers-to-be-his-lawyer) > -The Borowitz Report > > :D:D:D ALTERNATE HISTORY FOLLOWS: AP Wire Service: November 7, 2018 (Washington, DC) President Trump announced his resignation today, following a crushing defeat of the Republican Party in yesterday’s midterm elections, which saw not a single Republican lawmaker returned to Congress. NOVEMBER 8, 2019. The LAFF FACTORY EAST, NEW YORK CITY. (Comedian Lenny Bruce has just taken the stage\*) BRUCE: _tch, tch, tch._ Poor Andy Borowitz… \*Hey, I _said_ it was an ALTERNATE history. In this one, Lenny Bruce is still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6659 "2018-08-22T10:18:15Z")
A time line where a ninety-four year old Lenny Bruce is still humping it up on stage at the Laff Factory? What kind of hellscape are you painting? ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6660 "2018-08-22T10:40:58Z")
He should still say “poor Vaughn Meader,” that would be meta. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6661 "2018-08-22T12:02:50Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > … Must’ve been a strange jury room. It’s hard to see how you convict him on bank fraud but let him go on conspiracy to commit bank fraud. Are the jurors even informed which charges carry a maximum prison term of a mere 5 years, and which are more serious? I’ll guess the Trumpists on the jury were willing to convict Manafort of tax fraud because “it’s a minor crime: everybody does it.” > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > … Whatever else may happen in the next few months, it’s now looking highly unlikely that Trump will see out the entirety of his first term, much less a second. Time for a sip of Scotch indeed. Do you really want to give the despicable Pence even more power? It is so essential for the Democrats to win the House this November. Congressional hearings into the Trump crime family! (Color me partisan if you insist, but I think the Trump crimes are even more serious than the cold-blooded murders in Benghazi executed by Hillary’s child sex-slaves.) ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6662 "2018-08-22T12:23:19Z")
Lanny Davis (one of Cohen’s attorneys) just said this on NPR: > [@](#): > > “I know that Mr. Cohen would never accept a pardon from a man that he considers to be both corrupt and a dangerous person in the Oval Office, and he has flatly authorized me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr. Trump.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=332) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=334)