# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 335
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6683 "2018-08-22T20:12:54Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > …5) The more that Manafort looks liable to flip, the greater the odds that Trump will act to pardon him, which will strongly add into the Obstruction of Justice heading, and likelihood of impeachment proceedings. **Republicans in Congress are warning him, today, that there will be repercussions if he tries to do so**. Bolding mine. Not doubting you, but Any cite? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6684 "2018-08-22T20:29:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bolding mine. Not doubting you, but Any cite? [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6685 "2018-08-22T20:41:30Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > She doesn’t have a red state electorate. I agree she probably wouldn’t flip if it her vote was going to be decisive. There’s a move in Maine to vote her out if she votes for Kavanaugh. > **[As Susan Collins Waffles on Kavanaugh Vote, Mainers Show Signs of Disapproval](https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2018/08/22/as-susan-collins-waffles-on-kavanaugh-vote-mainers-show-signs-of-disapproval/)** > > Kavanaugh’s nomination represents a critical juncture in Sen. Susan Collins’ political career, and her vote on this nomination could be fateful for her 2020 re-election campaign. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6686 "2018-08-22T20:44:38Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon) Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6687 "2018-08-22T21:06:12Z")
In other news, Cohen has been subpoenaed by the NY state prosecutors who are investigating the Trump Foundation. > **[New York state investigators subpoena Michael Cohen in Trump Foundation probe](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-state-investigators-subpoena-michael-cohen-in-trump-foundation-probe/)** > > New York state investigators are probing whether the Trump Foundation violated state law Lanny Davis has said that Cohen has information that would interest state investigators. Apparently they want to burn this whole mess down. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6688 "2018-08-22T21:09:13Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > In other news, Cohen has been subpoenaed by the NY state prosecutors who are investigating the Trump Foundation. > > [New York state investigators subpoena Michael Cohen in Trump Foundation probe - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-state-investigators-subpoena-michael-cohen-in-trump-foundation-probe/) > > Lanny Davis has said that Cohen has information that would interest state investigators. Apparently they want to burn this whole mess down. If Trump has touched it, it needs to be investigated. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6689 "2018-08-22T21:29:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > If Trump has touched it, it needs to be investigated. Leave Stormy alone! ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6690 "2018-08-22T21:45:37Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon) Aside from maybe the Collins quote (and note she said “misuse” instead of “abuse”), none of those quotes on the Repub side represent any kind of warning. “Warning” is just characterization by the writer because it reads better. Repubs don’t want Trump to fire Mueller because it will just make them look worse since they did nothing to protect him and will do nothing if Trump fires him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6691 "2018-08-22T21:47:31Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403062-republicans-warn-trump-against-manafort-pardon) “Republicans warn Trump against Manafort pardon” Ooooo… those are fightin’ words to the toddler in the White House. Whenever someone tells him NOT to do something, dang if he doesn’t immediately go and do it just to prove that he can (hurling his bowl of Maypo at the walls of the Oval Office). 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6692 "2018-08-22T21:51:16Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > Aside from maybe the Collins quote (and note she said “misuse” instead of “abuse”), none of those quotes on the Repub side represent any kind of warning. > > “Warning” is just characterization by the writer because it reads better. > > Repubs don’t want Trump to fire Mueller because it will just make them look worse since they did nothing to protect him and will do nothing if Trump fires him. All of the quotes may as well have ended with: “Not that we would take any action.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6693 "2018-08-22T22:37:25Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > Aside from maybe the Collins quote (and note she said “misuse” instead of “abuse”), none of those quotes on the Repub side represent any kind of warning. > > “Warning” is just characterization by the writer because it reads better. > > Repubs don’t want Trump to fire Mueller because it will just make them look worse since they did nothing to protect him and will do nothing if Trump fires him. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > “Republicans warn Trump against Manafort pardon” > > Ooooo… those are fightin’ words to the toddler in the White House. Whenever someone tells him NOT to do something, dang if he doesn’t immediately go and do it just to prove that he can (hurling his bowl of Maypo at the walls of the Oval Office). 😉 > [@bobot](#): > > All of the quotes may as well have ended with: “Not that we would take any action.” These are the same sorts of things that they have said about firing Jeff Sessions or Robert Mueller. One notes that Sessions and Mueller are still working in the Executive branch. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6694 "2018-08-22T22:40:19Z")
OK so say Trump pardons Manafort. What do you predict any of those Republicans would do? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6695 "2018-08-22T22:47:40Z")
More warnings. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6696 "2018-08-22T23:09:00Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > More warnings. I only accept warnings from SDMB mods. So hey, what about an official warning for Trump from the Dope’s mod squad? Hey, what about you, **Miller** , now that everything goes in the Pit and you stare into the void of a life with no more warnings given ;)? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6697 "2018-08-22T23:25:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK so say Trump pardons Manafort. What do you predict any of those Republicans would do? Probably do a complete 180, break into full spin mode, and explain why the pardon was the right thing to do, and they never thought otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6698 "2018-08-23T00:10:29Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK so say Trump pardons Manafort. What do you predict any of those Republicans would do? Frown and do that Very Important Meeting walk. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6699 "2018-08-23T00:20:43Z")
In more News That Will Piss Off Donald Trump: 1. Cohen’s Lawyer, Lanny Davis, says that Cohen didn’t have advance notice about the infamous Trump Tower meeting but he was present when Donald & Junior discussed it, meaning Donald knew all about it. > **[Cohen Atty On ‘Dirt’ Meeting: Cohen ‘Was Present’ During Trump, Trump Jr. Convo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cohen-atty-on-trump-tower-dirt-meeting-cohen-was-present-during-convo-between-trump-trump-jr)** > > Asked Wednesday what evidence Michael Cohen had that President Donald Trump knew ahead of time about the June 2016 Trump Tower “dirt” meeting, Cohen’s attorney Lanny Davis said simply: “I can only say… 2. Cohen, like others, claims that Donald knew about the stolen Clinton emails before they went public > **[Lawyer: Cohen witnessed Trump’s ‘awareness’ of hacked Dem emails before they...](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/403151-lawyer-cohen-witnessed-trump-being-aware-of-hacked-emails-before-they/)** > > Michael Cohen’s attorney Lanny Davis suggested Wednesday that President Trump knew about hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails before they were released during the 2016 presidentia… 1. Cohen & Davis say that Cohen submitted his invoices for the hush money to the Trump Org CFO, Allen Weisellberg [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cohen-attorney-he-submitted-trump-org-cfo-weisselberg](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cohen-attorney-he-submitted-trump-org-cfo-weisselberg) Sorry for the link dump. It’s been a long day. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6700 "2018-08-23T01:26:12Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Frown and do that Very Important Meeting walk. I don’t know, they could probably manage to say it is “_very_ troubling” as they walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6701 "2018-08-23T01:33:54Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > In more News That Will Piss Off Donald Trump: > > 1. Cohen’s Lawyer, Lanny Davis, says that Cohen didn’t have advance notice about the infamous Trump Tower meeting but he was present when Donald & Junior discussed it, meaning Donald knew all about it. > > [Cohen Atty On ‘Dirt’ Meeting: Cohen ‘Was Present’ During Trump, Trump Jr. Convo - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cohen-atty-on-trump-tower-dirt-meeting-cohen-was-present-during-convo-between-trump-trump-jr) > 2. Cohen, like others, claims that Donald knew about the stolen Clinton emails before they went public > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/403151-lawyer-cohen-witnessed-trump-being-aware-of-hacked-emails-before-they](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/403151-lawyer-cohen-witnessed-trump-being-aware-of-hacked-emails-before-they) > > 1. Cohen & Davis say that Cohen submitted his invoices for the hush money to the Trump Org CFO, Allen Weisellberg > > [Cohen Atty: ‘I Believe’ He Submitted Hush Money Invoices To Trump Org CFO - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cohen-attorney-he-submitted-trump-org-cfo-weisselberg) > Sorry for the link dump. It’s been a long day. It’s a great dump – one that makes my heart sing! Thank you. That civil case filed by Acting New York AG Barbara Underwood is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. I am in awe of that lady. Another unsung hero in this terrible time. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6702 "2018-08-23T02:15:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you seriously think those morons will accept the jurors made the correct decision? They will start harassing and threatening the jurors and the judge and, especially, the prosecutors. Trump is to them what the said Obama was to Democrats. The cognitive dissonance **is literally weopanized** here. Yes it is. And Judge Ellis was receiving death threats, according to the news. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=334) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=336)