# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 338
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6743 "2018-08-23T15:59:40Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > TBH at first I wrote Altoona, then I thought “are you sure it was Altoona?” Then I recalled that the Great Altoona Flood happened on the same day as the Bowling Green Massacre and therefore didn’t get as much attention. Damn you! My coffee dribbled all over my shirt. ☹ (at least I didn’t spit it on my laptop) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6744 "2018-08-23T16:05:40Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > TBH at first I wrote Altoona, then I thought “are you sure it was Altoona?” Then I recalled that the Great Altoona Flood happened on the same day as the Bowling Green Massacre and therefore didn’t get as much attention. I missed all the news that day anyway; I was out hiking the Tennessee Trail. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6745 "2018-08-23T16:13:07Z")
A couple of observations regarding the recent events. Trump is really really stupid. I know this isn’t a news flash, but this man, who ran for President, has NO CLUE how campaign finance laws work. Because his latest public defense regarding the Cohen pay-offs is “I used my own money\*, not campaign money!” He doesn’t realize that IS the crime. Because the allegation is that the money was used to further his goal of becoming President but it was not reported s a campaign expense. Which is illegal. And while the prosecutorial position isn’t ironclad, it is strengthened by the tape Avenatti released in which the Problem of the Loud-Mouthed Women is being discussed as a campaign issue. Ironically, if he HAD used campaign money he might have been in a better position legally. - which is at odds with the Cohen plea as the payments came from the Trump Organization. Which, to President PeePee, is a distinction without a difference. But legally its not because IIRC, a campaign contribution by the Trump Organization would be treated like any other campaign contribution by an outside entity and treated differently than money a candidate contributes directly to his own campaign. ETA- I just realized I was ninjaed a little bit by jsc1953 on this point. And if you read the details of the Cohen plea deal, he basically nailed the Trump Organization to the wall on at least one count of tax fraud. Because of the way Cohen was reimbursed. He conspired with the Trump Organization to collect payment on fraudulent invoices for legal services. Which were probably written off as legal services on the Trump Organization tax returns. Stupid Watergate strikes again. BTW, the Qanon twitter feed is getting really amusing…the idiots are still “trusting the plan” but getting confused by recent events. Although I’m starting to suspect that Q and 90% of the Qanon followers are liberal trolls getting over on a handful of the stupidest people in the country. BTW, do you know why Trump now tweets about 17 angry Democrats instead of 13? Because Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet. Which totally confirms the plan and vindicates the Q movement. I haven’t actually counted to see whether Q is really the 17th letter of the alphabet, but if it’s not the Q followers would still believe it was. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6746 "2018-08-23T16:13:56Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Make America Greedy Again? Again? Also, just to avoid misunderstandings; I was channeling MAGAbots with that post. I will never have that kind of money and even if I did, I’d like to think I’d pay my fair share. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6747 "2018-08-23T16:20:14Z")
The other interesting thing about his comments in the article **Derleth** quoted: Trump says he has many friends who have “flipped”. That is, the President of the United States is friends with a lot of convicted criminals. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6748 "2018-08-23T16:28:29Z")
QAnon himself at least is definitely a troll. They originally put some effort into their con, making sure to predict thing that Trump would tweet and stuff like that. But then, as time went on, they could just put out nonsense and it would be “interpreted” for them. The interpreters could be trolling, too. That said, I don’t know if they’re liberal or just “for the lulz” of fooling so many gullible people. If I were doing it as a liberal, I’d try to steer them a different direction, making them actual liberal supporters. Maybe posit that this Trump isn’t the real Trump but a replacement and that real Trump is behind the scenes helping the liberals or something. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6749 "2018-08-23T17:17:47Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Agreed. I’m beginning to think the Manafort trial might end in a hung jury with a true believer Trumpest being the one vote against conviction on all counts. Only on ten counts. Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from winning conviction on all counts > [@](#): > > Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump, but said she was moved by four full boxes of exhibits provided by Mueller’s team – though she was skeptical about prosecutors’ motives in the financial crimes case. > > “Certainly Mr. Manafort got caught breaking the law, but he wouldn’t have gotten caught if they weren’t after President Trump,” Duncan said of the special counsel’s case, which she separately described as a “witch hunt to try to find Russian collusion,” borrowing a phrase Trump has used in tweets more than 100 times. > > “Something that went through my mind is, this should have been a tax audit,” Duncan said, sympathizing with the foundation of the Manafort defense team’s argument. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6750 "2018-08-23T17:59:11Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So Hannity can claim that Cohen is going to jail for helping Hillary Clinton? I wouldn’t put it past them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6751 "2018-08-23T18:01:51Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Only on ten counts. > Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from winning conviction on all counts I wonder how much money that juror got. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6752 "2018-08-23T18:03:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I haven’t actually counted to see whether Q is really the 17th letter of the alphabet, but if it’s not the Q followers would still believe it was. You just scared my cat (literal LOL). ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6753 "2018-08-23T18:04:50Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The other interesting thing about his comments in the article **Derleth** quoted: Trump says he has many friends who have “flipped”. > > That is, the President of the United States is friends with a lot of convicted criminals. To be clear, these people are no longer his friends. I guess he prefers flippers who are taking dirt naps. “Omertà “ and all. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6754 "2018-08-23T18:10:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I wonder how much money that juror got. Seriously. Not enough. She voted to convict on 8 counts. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6755 "2018-08-23T18:52:52Z")
It looks like [Pecker](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/david-pecker-immunity-cohen/index.html) will get immunity to testify… > [@](#): > > Pecker, the CEO of American Media Inc., told federal prosecutors that Trump had knowledge of Cohen’s payments to women who had alleged sexual encounters with him, sources familiar with the matter told CNN. Pecker also provided investigators with details about payments Cohen made to the women, the sources said. Makes me wonder if the ship is taking on water. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6756 "2018-08-23T19:05:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not enough. She voted to convict on 8 counts. Hold Out Juror - “I can’t hang the whole trial, people will suspect something is up.” New Fixer - “Ok, you can vote to convict on some.” later - HOJ - “8 is less than half, so that counts as ‘some’, right? I still get paid the second half?” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6757 "2018-08-23T19:07:31Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > It looks like [Pecker](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/david-pecker-immunity-cohen/index.html) will get immunity to testify… > Makes me wonder if the ship is taking on water. The jokes just write themselves… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6758 "2018-08-23T19:17:54Z")
> [@steve mb](#): > > the jokes just write themselves… Trump Brought Low By Pecker ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6759 "2018-08-23T19:30:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Trump Brought Low By Pecker Or Trump has a Big Pecker Problem (he might even like that one) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6760 "2018-08-23T19:33:14Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Or Trump has a Big Pecker Problem (he might even like that one) Easy enough to fix “Trump has a little Pecker Problem” ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6761 "2018-08-23T19:49:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Easy enough to fix “Trump has a little Pecker Problem” For the first time in his life, Trump has a Big Pecker Problem. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6762 "2018-08-23T19:59:23Z")
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