# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/661 "2017-11-09T15:41:23Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m reasonably sure that the 28 statements, as gathered in the one party, take less than five minutes to read. It’s far quicker to read them and then check the document for confirmation than it is to read any reasonable chunk of the testimony. That’s not so, you would need to read the entire document for each item to search out where it might be. But beyond that, Seth Abramson is not claiming that those 28 items are explicitly stated in the testimony. It’s his far-fetched and highly partisan interpretation of the testimony. This is very obvious to someone who read much of the testimony and SA’s claims, and can see how he’s taking these things from the testimony. There might be some things that would take longer to track down, but I’ve seen enough. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/662 "2017-11-09T16:21:07Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Medium isn’t a _the_, FWIW. It’s just a blogging platform. I first learned about it on the Facebooks. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/663 "2017-11-09T16:59:49Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s not so, you would need to read the entire document for each item to search out where it might be. > > But beyond that, Seth Abramson is not claiming that those 28 items are explicitly stated in the testimony. It’s his far-fetched and highly partisan interpretation of the testimony. This is very obvious to someone who read much of the testimony and SA’s claims, and can see how he’s taking these things from the testimony. There might be some things that would take longer to track down, but I’ve seen enough. As much as I am anti Trump and would love to see him go down, I agree with this. A lot of SA’s claims here and otherwise are speculative stretches. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/664 "2017-11-09T17:13:45Z")
That may be but F-P is the one that claimed Page came off well in the testimony and that nothing of import came out of it. I think we can agree that of those 28 points - at least one or a few are accurate and important. Such as Hope Hicks being looped in on things. Also, pretty clear that Page did anything but come off well as F-P has stated. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/665 "2017-11-09T17:21:22Z")
Just to note again that I said Page came off well in the specific context of whether he appeared to be lying or not. Of course, if you start off with the firm conviction that he must had colluded with Russians, then his denials are going to be obvious lies. But if you start with an open mind on that subject, and view it in the context of just this testimony, he comes off well, in that he appears to be struggling to be as accurate and precise as possible. Whether he’s also in over his head in general, and a bit too focused on his own persecution at the hands of the government and the “dodgy dossier” is another story. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/666 "2017-11-09T17:27:57Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > But her emails! Her _emails_! No, no! It’s the uranium! Hillary gave all of our uranium to the Russians and we can never make another bomb again and Hillary took the money to start up a sex slave ring under a pizzeria. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/667 "2017-11-09T18:38:13Z")
On Mars. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/668 "2017-11-09T19:22:47Z")
OK, then, we stuff that Papa John’s pustule into a rocket… ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/669 "2017-11-09T19:23:03Z")
On Mars! Shouldn’t she be growing jobs here on Earth? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/670 "2017-11-10T01:14:52Z")
After Barack Obama was elected, there were some who wanted him to prosecute members of the Bush administration, particularly Dick Cheney for his role in fabricating or manipulating intelligence to lay the case for war. I was not among them. I generally believed in the notion that regardless of how tempting it might be, even though it might be technically actionable, the legal process shouldn’t be applied directly to the political process unless there’s just a damn good reason. Now I can honestly say that if the Democrats take the White House and Congress, I think they should lock people up left and right. I don’t think they should lean on the DoJ but the public should demand an investigation into every possible illegal act that the Trump administration has committed and just throw them in jail. The Republican party just needs to die. It is a sick, diseased, disgusting party that appeals to lowlifes. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/671 "2017-11-10T01:49:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > After Barack Obama was elected, there were some who wanted him to prosecute members of the Bush administration, particularly Dick Cheney for his role in fabricating or manipulating intelligence to lay the case for war. I was not among them. I generally believed in the notion that regardless of how tempting it might be, even though it might be technically actionable, the legal process shouldn’t be applied directly to the political process unless there’s just a damn good reason. > > Now I can honestly say that if the Democrats take the White House and Congress, I think they should lock people up left and right. I don’t think they should lean on the DoJ but the public should demand an investigation into every possible illegal act that the Trump administration has committed and just throw them in jail. The Republican party just needs to die. It is a sick, diseased, disgusting party that appeals to lowlifes. That is all. I agree. The only good thing to come out of this nightmarish debacle is the unavoidable conclusion that the Republican Party is rotten to its core. There is no atrocity they won’t either commit or ignore in their quest to bilk the hoi polloi out of their hard earned nickels and dimes, or to protect their wealthy benefactors. The Republican Party of today is the most corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of toadies I’ve ever known, in a long line of corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of Republican toadies. I don’t see how anyone can ignore the facts being revealed daily that rub our noses in this conclusion. Apparently 30% can, though. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/672 "2017-11-10T01:54:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I agree. > > The only good thing to come out of this nightmarish debacle is the unavoidable conclusion that the Republican Party is rotten to its core. There is no atrocity they won’t either commit or ignore in their quest to bilk the hoi polloi out of their hard earned nickels and dimes, or to protect their wealthy benefactors. > > The Republican Party of today is the most corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of toadies I’ve ever known, in a long line of corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of Republican toadies. > > I don’t see how anyone can ignore the facts being revealed daily that rub our noses in this conclusion. Apparently 30% can, though. I never thought I would say this, in America, but I want Republicans in this administration and their willing accomplices in Congress to go to prison. I will be angry if the Democrats retake power and this does not happen. This country is polluted with Republican filth. There needs to be a cleansing in this country. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/673 "2017-11-10T02:07:10Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I agree. > > The only good thing to come out of this nightmarish debacle is the unavoidable conclusion that the Republican Party is rotten to its core. There is no atrocity they won’t either commit or ignore in their quest to bilk the hoi polloi out of their hard earned nickels and dimes, or to protect their wealthy benefactors. > > The Republican Party of today is the most corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of toadies I’ve ever known, in a long line of corrupt, craven, greedy uncaring collection of Republican toadies. > > I don’t see how anyone can ignore the facts being revealed daily that rub our noses in this conclusion. Apparently 30% can, though. Sadly, this is very, very true. Some members of the Republican Party - not just random dudes, but **Republican Party Chairmen,** would literally RATHER SUPPORT AND VOTE FOR A CHILD RAPIST, than have a Democrat in office: > [@](#): > > after a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he’d vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl. “I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn’t want to vote for Doug,” he says. “I’m not saying I support what he did.” > [@](#): > > “Yeah!” Covington County GOP Chairman William Blocker tells me he’d consider voting Moore even if hard proof of sexual abuse emerged. “There is NO option to support to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/674 "2017-11-10T02:08:34Z")
I want them identified, prosecuted and convicted strictly by the rule of law, but yes – I don’t want to live through another Nixon pardon. I understood Ford’s reasoning, but I didn’t agree with it. There must be consequences for selling out your country to a hostile foreign power in exchange for loot. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/675 "2017-11-10T02:15:03Z")
It’s one of the main reasons I support Biden for President. He would be able to quickly identify and rectify the many, many abominations committed by this “administration.” With a willing Congress, he could put things to rights faster than anyone else could. There is already so much to do just to get back to where we were a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/676 "2017-11-10T02:42:07Z")
There are no more good republicans. They’re just a bunch of goddamned animals. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/677 "2017-11-10T02:54:29Z")
Agree with all recent posts. This shit needs to stop, and a good way to get some peoples attention is to jail these bastards. A blast from the past, and a little humor - > [@Craig Kiborn](#): > > “President Bush’s economic plan will create 2.5 million new jobs. The bad news, they are all for Iraqi soldiers” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/678 "2017-11-10T12:29:45Z")
Alright, maybe I went over the top last night. There are probably at least some good Republicans, but they’re increasingly hard to find. Where’s the decency? Where’s the courage? It’s not that Democrats don’t have pervs in their midst - I’m sure they do. But I don’t see them trying to defend this sort of behavior. In any case, I know this is about the Mueller case - sorry for the thread jack. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/679 "2017-11-10T13:07:25Z")
Flynn is fucked. > **[Mueller Probes Flynn’s Role in Alleged Plan to Deliver Cleric to Turkey](https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probes-flynns-role-in-alleged-plan-to-deliver-cleric-to-turkey-1510309982)** > > Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating former White House national security adviser Mike Flynn’s alleged role in a plan to forcibly remove a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. and deliver him to Turkey in return for millions of dollars,... He also delayed attacks on Raqqa and Mosul at the urging of his Turkish backers. He better hope he has a ton of incriminating evidence to hand over. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/680 "2017-11-10T13:25:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Flynn is fucked. > > [https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probes-flynns-role-in-alleged-plan-to-deliver-cleric-to-turkey-1510309982](https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probes-flynns-role-in-alleged-plan-to-deliver-cleric-to-turkey-1510309982) > > He also delayed attacks on Raqqa and Mosul at the urging of his Turkish backers. He better hope he has a ton of incriminating evidence to hand over. Pay wall. But I saw this in other outlets > **[Mueller investigating Mike Flynn and son’s plot to kidnap Muslim cleric and...](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/mueller-investigating-mike-flynn-and-sons-plot-to-kidnap-muslim-cleric-and-give-him-to-turkey-for-cash/)** > > Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating Mike Flynn and his son's alleged plot to kidnap a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. and hand him over to Turkey in exchange for millions of dollars.The former national security adviser to President... Yeah Raw Story can be a little sensationalist, but The Hill spams up my p.c. with ads. I prefer Politico. Anyway, the core of the case is, there might have been a plot to kidnap the Turkish cleric Gulen and get him into Turkey in exchange for $1.5 million. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=35)