# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 344
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6863 "2018-08-26T03:46:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, no, no, $30,000 is the total initially paid by all three travelers. All the doorman got was the $2,000 he pocketed. The travelers each got $1,000 back, and the hotel got $25,000. You need to subtract instead of adding. Got to admit. I laughed. Well played, sir, well played. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6864 "2018-08-26T04:11:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > As I said… I think in this thread… that the issue here isn’t so much that Trump had a bunch of white collar criminals working for him, but that white collar crime is _vastly_ more common than even the most conspiratorially minded person thinks, and if it were policed and prosecuted with the vigor of the local DA going after drug busts in the black side of town, a lot of fortunes would be lost and many, many more would be dramatically reduced. QFT ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6865 "2018-08-26T13:19:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, no, no, $30,000 is the total initially paid by all three travelers. All the doorman got was the $2,000 he pocketed. The travelers each got $1,000 back, and the hotel got $25,000. You need to subtract instead of adding. 😃 I’m totally telling this riddle differently from now on. “Three Playboy bunnies went up to Trump’s Penthouse…” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6866 "2018-08-26T13:52:33Z")
> [@j666](#): > > The phrase “a candidate for federal office” - again, not part of the legal document - is somewhat odd, and can apply to Pence as well as Trump. > > Pence never made sense as a running mate; people who like Pence certainly weren’t going to vote for HRC or Bernie. I’m reluctant to interrupt a rant that has a good head of steam, but I’m curious: who, if not Pence, do you think _would’ve_ made sense as Trump’s running mate? Do you think it should’ve been Ben Carson? Chris Christie? Mike Huckabee? Just not sure what you have in mind, here. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6867 "2018-08-26T15:48:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m reluctant to interrupt a rant that has a good head of steam, but I’m curious: who, if not Pence, do you think _would’ve_ made sense as Trump’s running mate? Do you think it should’ve been Ben Carson? Chris Christie? Mike Huckabee? > > Just not sure what you have in mind, here. I doubt it could be Christie - He has a temper and doesn’t like being pushed around. They’d be fighting in less than a week. I also have a sense that there are some things Christie would never do. He does have limits on how far he will go. The same goes for Huckabee. There is a line he won’t cross. Carson is just a fucking moron. Probably too stupid to follow orders. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6868 "2018-08-26T16:02:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I also have a sense that there are some things Christie would never do. He does have limits on how far he will go. I used to think that of the Republican hierarchy in general but apparently I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6869 "2018-08-26T16:04:57Z")
Mike Pence is the only one of the lot who has “Phillipians 4:13” tattooed on the inside of his eyelids. That’s why he stands behind the Orange Sack of Horse Manure and looks the way he does, eyes half-closed, smiling rapturously. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6870 "2018-08-26T16:27:20Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Mike Pence is the only one of the lot who has “Phillipians 4:13” tattooed on the inside of his eyelids. That’s why he stands behind the Orange Sack of Horse Manure and looks the way he does, eyes half-closed, smiling rapturously. I always though that that look was because the crucifix he keeps shoved in his ass is tickling his prostate. > [@](#): > > I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6871 "2018-08-26T16:33:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I doubt it could be Christie - He has a temper and doesn’t like being pushed around. They’d be fighting in less than a week. I also have a sense that there are some things Christie would never do. He does have limits on how far he will go. > > The same goes for Huckabee. There is a line he won’t cross. > > Carson is just a fucking moron. Probably too stupid to follow orders. See, that was my point: **j666** said that Pence never made sense as a running mate; but that gets me my scratching my head while I struggle to think of a less bad choice who would’ve made more sense. (I’m factoring in that I’ve heard Kasich got the offer and turned it down, which leaves — Gingrich? Jindal? _Who?_) ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6872 "2018-08-26T16:38:42Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Mike Pence is the only one of the lot who has “Phillipians 4:13” tattooed on the inside of his eyelids. That’s why he stands behind the Orange Sack of Horse Manure and looks the way he does, eyes half-closed, smiling rapturously. Trump: “Philippians? You know I like that Duterte guy. He’s a very strong leader. Very strong.” ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6873 "2018-08-26T16:42:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > See, that was my point: **j666** said that Pence never made sense as a running mate; but that gets me my scratching my head while I struggle to think of a less bad choice who would’ve made more sense. (I’m factoring in that I’ve heard Kasich got the offer and turned it down, which leaves — Gingrich? Jindal? _Who?_) Sarah Palin? He’d end up with some black eyes from trying to feel up a woman who can field-dress a deer. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6874 "2018-08-26T16:50:05Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Sarah Palin? > > He’d end up with some black eyes from trying to feel up **a woman who can field-dress a deer.** Cite? She couldn’t hit an caribou at 100 yards with a scoped rifle. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6875 "2018-08-26T17:05:55Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Sarah Palin? > > He’d end up with some black eyes from trying to feel up a woman who can field-dress a deer. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Cite? > She couldn’t hit an caribou at 100 yards with a scoped rifle. Well, Fred Thompson once [said](https://people.com/politics/law-orders-fred-thompson-defends-sarah-palin/) that Sarah Palin ‘knows how to properly field dress a moose’. That’s certainly an unimpeachable source, yes? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6876 "2018-08-26T17:10:51Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Well, Fred Thompson once [said](https://people.com/politics/law-orders-fred-thompson-defends-sarah-palin/) that Sarah Palin ‘knows how to properly field dress a moose’. That’s certainly an unimpeachable source, yes? He probably just meant that she would dress the moose in a red-white-and-blue workout ensemble. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6877 "2018-08-26T17:33:36Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > See, that was my point: **j666** said that Pence never made sense as a running mate; but that gets me my scratching my head while I struggle to think of a less bad choice who would’ve made more sense. (I’m factoring in that I’ve heard Kasich got the offer and turned it down, which leaves — Gingrich? Jindal? _Who?_) And that’s the thing. There are plenty of others that could have done better, but they all turned it down, not wanting to tie their political futures to an orange buffoon that was certain to lose the general. Pence had no political future left, so had nothing to lose. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6878 "2018-08-26T18:19:03Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m reluctant to interrupt a rant that has a good head of steam, but I’m curious: who, if not Pence, do you think _would’ve_ made sense as Trump’s running mate? Do you think it should’ve been Ben Carson? Chris Christie? Mike Huckabee? > > Just not sure what you have in mind, here. Any one of the dozen or so men he mortally offended during his campaign? Hmm, probably not. Still Carson or Rubio would have been better choices, if for no other reason than he would be less likely to go out like Caesar. I admit I am not up on up and coming young Republicans, but there must be a young, conservative, religious person with a Latin (Hispanic? Spanish?) or Indio surname who would have been able to tap dance around Trump’s more egregious statements without straight up promising a coup (because at the time, s/he would have thought it necessary; it is only with hindsight we not it would not have been). > [@k9bfriender](#): > > And that’s the thing. There are plenty of others that could have done better, but they all turned it down, not wanting to tie their political futures to an orange buffoon that was certain to lose the general. > > Pence had no political future left, so had nothing to lose. You really don’t think there was _ **anyone** _ else who was willing to stand one heartbeat away from the Presidency? Well, obviously, you’re right, but I just can’t quite accept that a major political party selected a candidate because no-one else would take the job. I still think Pence was selected at least in part as bus fodder. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6879 "2018-08-26T19:13:34Z")
> [@j666](#): > > You really don’t think there was _ **anyone** _ else who was willing to stand one heartbeat away from the Presidency? Well, obviously, you’re right, but I just can’t quite accept that a major political party selected a candidate because no-one else would take the job. I still think Pence was selected at least in part as bus fodder. I don’t think that anyone thought he was going to win. Had they thought that, there probably would have been more takers, but at that point, it really seemed like tying yourself to him was a mistake. Anyone that would actually help trump get elected had their own aspirations that would be harmed. And there were probably others that would take the job, it’s just pence was the most prominent of that group of fools. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6880 "2018-08-26T19:57:21Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And there were probably others that would take the job, it’s just pence was the most prominent of that group of fools. There is obviously a surplus of Republicans willing to debase themselves for electoral victory and/or high-profile appointments. Remember Romney presenting like a female baboon in season for the Sec of State position just to have the rug pulled out from under him? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6881 "2018-08-26T20:29:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > There is obviously a surplus of Republicans willing to debase themselves for electoral victory and/or high-profile appointments. Remember Romney presenting like a female baboon in season for the Sec of State position just to have the rug pulled out from under him? Right, but that was after the election. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6882 "2018-08-26T20:57:59Z")
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