# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 350
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6983 "2018-09-06T01:25:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Does Trump assume that the copy he gets will be the only copy in existence of the report? Sure, shred it if you like. Mueller will just hit the “print” button again. As well as the “send” button. This. Mueller is as straight an arrow as they come, but at some point he will put country above everything and sleep well that night knowing he did the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6984 "2018-09-06T01:35:26Z")
> [@susan](#): > > \*Scelus per covfefe impeditum. > \* Well done. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6985 "2018-09-06T02:54:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Does Trump assume that the copy he gets will be the only copy in existence of the report? Sure, shred it if you like. Mueller will just hit the “print” button again. As well as the “send” button. Waaay too techie for the Pres to understand. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6986 "2018-09-06T10:16:03Z")
The [NY Times op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)is jaw-dropping. Not just for the content. No, it’s jaw-dropping for the craptastic amount of moral gymnastics the writer is going through trying to convince themselves that they’re not really the bad guys, they’re the good guys! FFS. Yeah, you’re a real fucking hero. If you think he’s incompetent, you do what you can to get him out for the good of the country. But you don’t really think that. You think he’s just inconvenient. Overall, you’re happy because you think under him, the country is ‘safer and more prosperous’. Don’t know who the author is, but fuck him or her. Fucking coward. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6987 "2018-09-06T10:26:13Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The Trump side, according to Giuliani: > > Trump will try to block Robert Mueller’s report from reaching the House. Giuliani has said stuff like that before, but I don’t think it’s even clear that Mueller will definitely be issuing a “report.” He could just indict all the other co-conspirators and include the information that would go in a report. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6988 "2018-09-06T13:28:12Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > The [NY Times op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)is jaw-dropping. > > Not just for the content. > > No, it’s jaw-dropping for the craptastic amount of moral gymnastics the writer is going through trying to convince themselves that they’re not really the bad guys, they’re the good guys! > > FFS. Yeah, you’re a real fucking hero. If you think he’s incompetent, you do what you can to get him out for the good of the country. > > But you don’t really think that. You think he’s just inconvenient. Overall, you’re happy because you think under him, the country is ‘safer and more prosperous’. > > Don’t know who the author is, but fuck him or her. Fucking coward. Yeah, that’s pretty close to my feelings about this. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6989 "2018-09-06T13:39:38Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The Trump side, according to Giuliani: > > Trump will try to block Robert Mueller’s report from reaching the House. If true, this is probably the dumbest thing ever said by one of Trump’s minions, and that is saying a hell of a lot. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6990 "2018-09-06T17:07:09Z")
(Do you youngsters still know the story of [Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch](http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2010/07/brer_rabbit_meets_a_tar_baby.html)? Or am I dating myself just to remember it?) Anyway, I wonder if Robert Mueller can use his “fear of the briar patch” into luring Trump into giving a deposition. “Oh, we’re just offering to interview Trump as a formality. I sure hope the President does NOT agree to our taking a deposition. With his knowledge he’d run circles around our attorneys. Our charges would mostly evaporate. We hear Trump’s silly lawyers are advising him against testifying and we are grateful for that. The last thing we want is for this charismatic leader to appear before the Grand Jury and expose to them how utterly flimsy our case is.” “Don’t force me into the briar patch, Mr. President; please don’t.” ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6991 "2018-09-06T22:18:32Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > The [NY Times op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)is jaw-dropping. > > Not just for the content. > > No, it’s jaw-dropping for the craptastic amount of moral gymnastics the writer is going through trying to convince themselves that they’re not really the bad guys, they’re the good guys! > > FFS. Yeah, you’re a real fucking hero. If you think he’s incompetent, you do what you can to get him out for the good of the country. > > But you don’t really think that. You think he’s just inconvenient. Overall, you’re happy because you think under him, the country is ‘safer and more prosperous’. > > Don’t know who the author is, but fuck him or her. Fucking coward. My favorite read on the subject so far – from the subject himself! [the really real resistance](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/06/i-am-the-real-resistance-the-resistance-within-the-trump-administration/?utm_term=.de29d0e8c27a) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6992 "2018-09-06T22:40:23Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > My favorite read on the subject so far – from the subject himself! > [the really real resistance](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/06/i-am-the-real-resistance-the-resistance-within-the-trump-administration/?utm_term=.de29d0e8c27a) That’s excellent! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6993 "2018-09-06T22:50:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Do you youngsters still know the story of [Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch](http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2010/07/brer_rabbit_meets_a_tar_baby.html)? Or am I dating myself just to remember it?) > > Anyway, I wonder if Robert Mueller can use his “fear of the briar patch” into luring Trump into giving a deposition. > > “ **Oh, we’re just offering to interview Trump as a formality. I sure hope the President does NOT agree to our taking a deposition. With his knowledge he’d run circles around our attorneys. Our charges would mostly evaporate. We hear Trump’s silly lawyers are advising him against testifying and we are grateful for that. The last thing we want is for this charismatic leader to appear before the Grand Jury and expose to them how utterly flimsy our case is**.” > > “Don’t force me into the briar patch, Mr. President; please don’t.” It would work on Trump; he’s already given indications that he believes that’s the way a deposition would go. But Mueller would never agree to play it that way. Too straight-arrow. Which is probably for the good—but it certainly would be satisfying to many of us to see Trump fall for that simple ploy. (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6994 "2018-09-07T03:01:00Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Corsi was a key figure in the Swiftboat bullshit and also the Birther bullshit (among other bullshits.) I didn’t know he was a Roger Stone alum. I hope Mueller is asking him about Russia’s involvement in those particular bullshits. Corsi is also the Washington DC correspondent for Alex Jones’ Infowars and has occasionally had White House Press Corps credentials. He’s also a major booster and “analyst” of the QAnon conspiracy cult. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6995 "2018-09-07T15:26:09Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones gets dragged into this. I expect he’s funded directly from Russia. Their can’t be that many people buying his taint wipes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6996 "2018-09-07T16:01:59Z")
\*God has smiled upon you this day The fate of the nation in your hands And blessed all the children be Who fight with all our bravery Till only the righteous stand You see the distant flames They bellow in the night You fight in all our names For what we know is right But when you all get shot And cannot carry on Though you die, La Resistance lives on…\* Blame Mexico! Blame Mexico! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6997 "2018-09-07T17:54:30Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > This is according to Trump’s side. Mueller’s side, as usual, has said nothing. So, not sure there is reason to believe any of this. Fuck this “I will write stuff (or maybe not)” and the “I will set the rules” bullshit. And fuck both Trump and Giuliani. Meuller should subpoena the assclown and put him in his place. Then he should start investigating Giuliani, who has not yet registered as a foreign agent, despite receiving a nice little bit of money from Romania. Giuliani sent a letter in August to Romania’s president attacking an anti-corruption campaign there. Giuliani has acknowledged he was paid to send the letter by a firm run by former FBI director Louis Freeh, who represents one or more wealthy Romanians investigated under the campaign. (Freeh is not registered as a foreign agent.) Giuliani’s “numerous foreign clients and ongoing communications with senior U.S. government officials,” including President Trump. Giuliani has not ended his work for foreign governments, nor has he fully disclosed his client list ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6998 "2018-09-07T17:59:39Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > The [NY Times op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)is jaw-dropping. > > Not just for the content. > > No, it’s jaw-dropping for the craptastic amount of moral gymnastics the writer is going through trying to convince themselves that they’re not really the bad guys, they’re the good guys! > > FFS. Yeah, you’re a real fucking hero. If you think he’s incompetent, you do what you can to get him out for the good of the country. > > But you don’t really think that. You think he’s just inconvenient. Overall, you’re happy because you think under him, the country is ‘safer and more prosperous’. > > Don’t know who the author is, but fuck him or her. Fucking coward. Oh, they’re bad guys alright. Note: The Op-Ed didn’t come out until after Woodward’s book, and it does not tell us anything we didn’t already know. It is a weak attempt at CYA, by someone who was part and parcel in the ongoing shit show. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6999 "2018-09-07T18:02:37Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Giuliani has said stuff like that before, but I don’t think it’s even clear that Mueller will definitely be issuing a “report.” > > He could just indict all the other co-conspirators and include the information that would go in a report. I hope so! File the indictments and arrest warrants, list all the charges, and then tell the Orangutan “Here’s your fucking report” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7000 "2018-09-07T18:03:55Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If true, this is probably the dumbest thing ever said by one of Trump’s minions, and that is saying a hell of a lot. Giuliani is pretty fucking stupid. He’d be my lawyer, if I wanted to get the death penalty for jaywalking. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7001 "2018-09-07T18:52:56Z")
Mueller has subpoenaed Jerome Corsi. Sounds like they’re digging down into Roger Stone. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7002 "2018-09-07T22:23:16Z")
[George Papadopoulos, Trump Campaign Adviser, Is Sentenced to 14 Days in Jail](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-sentencing-special-counsel-investigation.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — George Papadopoulos, a former Trump campaign adviser, was sentenced on Friday to 14 days in prison for lying to the F.B.I. about his contacts with Russian intermediaries before the 2016 election, with the judge saying he wanted to send a message to the public about the consequences of impeding an inquiry of national import. > > Mr. Papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty last year, is the first Trump campaign adviser to be sentenced as part of the continuing investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Three others pleaded guilty or were convicted of felonies and await sentencing. > > Though lying to federal investigators is not typically punished by incarceration, United States District Judge Randolph D. Moss said that Mr. Papadopoulos deserved prison time because he had deceived investigators probing “a matter of grave national importance.” He also fined him $9,500 and ordered him to complete 200 hours of community service and one year of probation after his release. > … One hopes this is a harbinger of bigger things to come. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=349) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=351)