# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 351
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7003 "2018-09-07T23:13:40Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [George Papadopoulos, Trump Campaign Adviser, Is Sentenced to 14 Days in Jail](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-sentencing-special-counsel-investigation.html) > One hopes this is a harbinger of bigger things to come. Bigger fish, bigger sentences. Most especially if they’re uncooperative. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7004 "2018-09-07T23:14:57Z")
WTF community service could he do? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7005 "2018-09-07T23:17:45Z")
> [@j666](#): > > WTF community service could he do? Food-taster for Mueller? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7006 "2018-09-07T23:23:43Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Food-taster for Mueller? Good one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7007 "2018-09-07T23:37:51Z")
> [@j666](#): > > WTF community service could he do? I like to picture him picking up trash on the highway. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7008 "2018-09-08T00:29:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Oh, they’re bad guys alright. Note: The Op-Ed didn’t come out until after Woodward’s book, and it does not tell us anything we didn’t already know. It is a weak attempt at CYA, by someone who was part and parcel in the ongoing shit show. Woodward’s book hasn’t been released yet - I think the press got advance copies. The release is Tuesday September 11. The entire 428 page book may have an impact greater than a few excerpts and summaries and Bob Woodward has a credibility that Michael Wolfe ( and certainly Omarosa Manigault ) lacks. I think someone at the WH was trying to get ahead of the release and assure voters that there are adults in room, so they shouldn’t be afraid to vote Republican. But the adults in the room are stupid horrible cowardly adults trying to conceal the fact that all the rumors are really true and we really do a have an insane toddler in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7009 "2018-09-08T00:39:11Z")
Oh shit, guys, this is big. Geoffrey Berman, DA for the Southrren District of NY, just got a Russian computer hacker extradited to the US via Georgia, (Nation of). The hacker, named Andrei Tyurin (or Tiurin), was responsible for some of the biggest cyber attacks in the US, which resulted in crimes ranging from identity theft to stock manipulation. > [@DOJ press release](#): > > TYURIN was arrested by Georgian authorities at the request of the United States for charges arising from his participation in a massive computer hacking campaign targeting U.S. financial institutions, brokerage firms, financial news publishers, and other American companies. > > \ > > According to the allegations contained in the superseding indictments unsealed today in Manhattan federal court[1], other filings in this case, and statements made during court proceedings: > > From approximately 2012 to mid-2015, TYURIN engaged in an extensive computer hacking campaign targeting financial institutions, brokerage firms, and financial news publishers in the United States, including the theft of personal information of over 100 million customers of the victim companies. TYURIN’s hack of one financial institution headquartered in Manhattan resulted in the theft of personal information of over 80 million customers, making it the largest theft of customer data from a U.S. financial institution in history. TYURIN engaged in these crimes at the direction of Shalon and in furtherance of other criminal schemes overseen and operated by Shalon and his co-conspirators, including securities fraud schemes in the United States. For example, in an effort artificially to inflate the price of certain stocks publicly traded in the United States, Shalon and his co-conspirators marketed the stocks in a deceptive and misleading manner to customers of the victim companies whose contact information TYURIN stole in the intrusions. > > In addition to the U.S. financial sector hacks, TYURIN also conducted cyberattacks against numerous U.S. and foreign companies in furtherance of various criminal enterprises operated by Shalon and his co-conspirators, including unlawful internet gambling businesses and international payment processors. Nearly all of these illegal businesses, like the securities market manipulation schemes, exploited the fruits of TYURIN’s computer hacking campaigns. Through these various criminal schemes, TYURIN, Shalon, and their co-conspirators obtained hundreds of millions of dollars in illicit proceeds. Don’t forget: Identity theft was one of the tactics used by the Russian Internet Research Agengy, the group of Russians operating out of Miami who used fake ids to create web personas to spread agitprop in support of Donald’s campaign. Mueller has already gotten a guilty plea from a man in the US (Pichard Pinedo (I know, right?)) who sold bank accounts and personal info to the Russians indicted for interfering in the US election and various online banking shenanigans. [http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/374267-calif-man-pleads-guilty-to-identity-fraud-in-mueller-probe](http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/374267-calif-man-pleads-guilty-to-identity-fraud-in-mueller-probe) Tyurin is possibly Pinedo’s Russian connection. That indictment against Tyurin also mentions that he worked with Geri Shalon, who was arrested for his role in a bunch of financial malfeasence, including bitcoin fraud and the JP Morgan Chase identity theft last year. Shalon’s indictment mention a 3rd unnamed coconspirator. Tyurin is presumably that guy. > **[Arrests in JP Morgan, eTrade, Scottrade Hacks – Krebs on Security](https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/11/arrests-in-jp-morgan-etrade-scottrade-hacks/#more-32818)** > > U.S. authorities today announced multiple indictments and arrests in connection with separate hacking incidents that resulted in the theft of more than 100 million customer records from some of the nation's biggest financial institutions and... The wheels of justice … ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7010 "2018-09-08T01:26:11Z")
Wow. That _is_ big! I have a recollection that Manafort has a Tyurin connection as well. Nice to see the loooonnnnnnggggg arm of the law reaching out where it must so effectively. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7011 "2018-09-08T01:38:00Z")
And nice, too, that the Trump Administration wasn’t able to keep this from happening. I’m thinking of the missiles-for-noncooperation deal that Trump did with Ukraine: > [@](#): > > **Did Trump Bribe Ukraine to Stop Cooperating With Mueller?** > …In response to the missile sale, Ukrainian officials have frozen out the Mueller investigation. Ukraine’s government had previously cooperated eagerly to expose the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia — providing, among other importance evidence, ledgers detailing payments to Paul Manafort by the Russian-backed Ukrainian party he had advised. … > > Now Ukraine is withholding cooperation from Mueller, and Ukrainian officials are not even hiding the fact that they’re doing so because of the missile sale. “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating the top American officials,” one Ukrainian lawmaker says. “We shouldn’t spoil relations with the administration.” > **[Did Trump Bribe Ukraine to Stop Cooperating With Mueller?](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/05/trump-bornstein-mueller-questions-leaks-ukraine-missile-bribe.html)** > > The No. 1 rule in understanding Trump is that the lies are usually covering even worse lies. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7012 "2018-09-09T12:18:38Z")
Bigly if true: Manafort is [resuming](https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-plea-deal-mueller-russia-2018-9) plea negotiations in lieu of a second trial in DC. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7013 "2018-09-09T13:35:39Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I like to picture him picking up trash on the highway. 🙂 (I assume prisoners do that in your state, too?) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7014 "2018-09-09T14:13:42Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Bigly if true: Manafort is [resuming](https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-plea-deal-mueller-russia-2018-9) plea negotiations in lieu of a second trial in DC. My understanding is it’s a straight up plea arrangement, with no cooperation under consideration. He just wants to stop spending money on predictable outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7015 "2018-09-09T15:03:52Z")
The article linked strongly suggest Manafort expects a pardon on any federal charges. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7016 "2018-09-09T18:49:37Z")
Mike Pence says he’s “more than willing” to sit down with Mueller - rofl. > **[Pence ‘more than willing’ to sit down with Mueller](https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/405745-pence-more-than-willing-to-sit-down-with-mueller/)** > > Vice President Pence on Sunday said he is “more than willing” to sit down with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team as part of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.“I w… Relax, Mishka. He’s getting to you. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7017 "2018-09-10T15:17:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [George Papadopoulos, Trump Campaign Adviser, Is Sentenced to 14 Days in Jail](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-sentencing-special-counsel-investigation.html) > One hopes this is a harbinger of bigger things to come. Great news! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7018 "2018-09-12T15:16:54Z")
By shear coincidence, a short time after the infamous Trump Tower meeting and a short time after the election, Russian billionaire and father of the man who set up the meeting Aras Agralov, [secretly sent money](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/trump-tower-meeting-suspicious-transactions-agalarov)through shell companies to himself, his son and two people who attended that meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7019 "2018-09-13T22:40:17Z")
Manafort just took a plea. No real details yet. Tomorrow should be huge. Tangential. Feinstein refers a matter about Kavanaugh to the FBI. Also short on details but possibly about some misdoings in high school and a possible use of those basketball tickets as a means of hush payments. This is just a guess though. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7020 "2018-09-13T22:43:27Z")
Naw, Kavanaugh is about to get all Gym Jordaned in a #metoo fashion. … since we’re guessing and all. 😉 Anyway, we surely don’t want a Supreme Court justice who is being investigated by the FBI, do we? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7021 "2018-09-13T23:38:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Anyway, we surely don’t want a Supreme Court justice who is being investigated by the FBI, do we? I think that is now a badge of honor. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7022 "2018-09-13T23:52:02Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Naw, Kavanaugh is about to get all Gym Jordaned in a #metoo fashion. > > … since we’re guessing and all. 😉 Maybe, or maybe the Hastert Rule gets another asterisk. Kavanaugh went to an all-Boys school, you’ll recall. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=350) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=352)