# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 358
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7143 "2018-09-24T17:10:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Someone explain to me in words of one syllable why Rosenstein might feel he has to resign. I’m pretty sure that is NOT the way he feels. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7144 "2018-09-24T17:55:41Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Someone explain to me in words of one syllable why Rosenstein might feel he has to resign. Yeah, he made some intemperate remarks which were recorded. But he didn’t DO anything about them. In the current climate, given all the other shit that’s flying around, why is this the Crime of the Century? \ In the current climate, sure. In any normal administration: being caught talking about secretly recording the president and whether or not he’s mentally fit for office would be way more than enough to warrant a hasty exit. In this administration, it’s an act of patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7145 "2018-09-24T18:19:05Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > In the current climate, sure. In any normal administration: being caught talking about secretly recording the president and whether or not he’s mentally fit for office would be way more than enough to warrant a hasty exit. In this administration, it’s an act of patriotism. Okay, that’s what I thought. I sort of see that (But not really.) Anyway, the current loose-lipped climate trumps that \, doesn’t it?? To thump maybe it’s an act of patriotism, but to us normal people, it leaves Mueller exposed, and that’s worse than any hypothetical disloyalty to this joke of a president. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7146 "2018-09-24T18:24:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve heard conflicting accounts on twitter of whether Rosenstein is resigning or being fired. I think the difference matters, because if he resigns, the WH can fill the vacancy with anyone who’s already been approved by the Senate for some other job, but not if he’s been fired. Which makes me hope that he didn’t resign. I hope he forces Trump to fire him… and forces Trump to do it himself for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7147 "2018-09-24T18:31:03Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > In the current climate, sure. In any normal administration: being caught talking about secretly recording the president and whether or not he’s mentally fit for office would be way more than enough to warrant a hasty exit. In this administration, it’s an act of patriotism. Wait, wait, Rosenstein’s denials have been proven to be lies? The NYT story is demonstrably true? Maybe it’s so, but I haven’t read or heard anything to that effect. Clarify? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7148 "2018-09-24T18:58:44Z")
[Someone wins Twitter](https://twitter.com/Will_Bunch/status/1044241168790360064?s=19): > [@](#): > > “Rosenstein and Kavanaugh Are Dead” has always been my favorite Tom Stoppard play ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7149 "2018-09-25T00:48:38Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Wait, wait, Rosenstein’s denials have been proven to be lies? The NYT story is demonstrably true? > > Maybe it’s so, but I haven’t read or heard anything to that effect. Clarify? Yeah, I’d like to see that, too. The NYT story seems extremely implausible to me. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7150 "2018-09-25T04:17:26Z")
Kavanaugh’s Yale freshman roommate said he was a belligerent drunk and he believes that Kavanaugh was capable of what Debbie Ramirez is claiming. [https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033](https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7151 "2018-09-25T12:15:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Kavanaugh’s Yale freshman roommate said he was a belligerent drunk and he believes that Kavanaugh was capable of what Debbie Ramirez is claiming. > [https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033](https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033) Wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7152 "2018-09-25T13:37:17Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Wait, wait, Rosenstein’s denials have been proven to be lies? The NYT story is demonstrably true? > > Maybe it’s so, but I haven’t read or heard anything to that effect. Clarify? No, there’s nothing you haven’t read or heard. I was answering the question “why would Rosenstein feel compelled to resign?” with how I feel a normal official in a normal administration would act in a similar situation: implicated in serious allegations whether true or not, and having lost the confidence of one’s boss, one would have no choice but to resign. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7153 "2018-09-25T17:52:28Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Wrong thread. Oops. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7154 "2018-09-27T12:08:38Z")
> **[Matthew Whitaker, a Trump Loyalist, Is Seen as Ascendant Amid Rosenstein...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/us/politics/matthew-whitaker-justice-department.html)** > > The aide, Matthew G. Whitaker, is considered an affable liaison between the Justice Department and President Trump and a prospective deputy attorney general. Matthew Whitaker, the man who would replace Rosenstein, is a Trump loyalist. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7155 "2018-09-27T12:34:19Z")
There’s a sure way to set oneself up- attempting loyalty to Trump, a man who knows no loyalty. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7156 "2018-09-27T12:42:06Z")
Matt Whitaker and Noel Francisco could shut down the Mueller investigation – and all other investigations related to Trump. And with a loaded Supreme Court, federal pardon power could essentially preempt state-level prosecution. > **[A Supreme Court Case Could Liberate Trump to Pardon His Associates](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/)** > > Gamble v. United States isn’t related to the Russia investigation. But the outcome—which one senior Republican senator has tried to influence—could still have consequences for the probe.   We’re getting closer to the tipping point, the point at which the rule of law is replaced by the rule of men - Republican men. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7157 "2018-09-27T21:40:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Kavanaugh’s Yale freshman roommate said he was a belligerent drunk and he believes that Kavanaugh was capable of what Debbie Ramirez is claiming. > [https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033](https://twitter.com/PeterKauffmann/status/1044384650767020033) Now we see, he’s a nasty belligerent evil bastard even when he’s sober. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7158 "2018-10-07T12:44:00Z")
I guess we can dispense the notion that the help being solicited from the Russians was not a “thing of value” as apparently, the GOP was [willing to pay for it.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-operative-secretly-raised-at-least-100-000-in-search-for-clinton-emails-1538913614) \* A veteran Republican operative and opposition researcher solicited and raised at least $100,000 from donors as part of an effort to obtain what he believed to be emails stolen from Hillary Clinton, activities that remain of intense interest to federal investigators working for special counsel Robert Mueller’s office and on Capitol Hill.\* ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7159 "2018-10-07T15:59:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I guess we can dispense the notion that the help being solicited from the Russians was not a “thing of value” as apparently, the GOP was [willing to pay for it.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-operative-secretly-raised-at-least-100-000-in-search-for-clinton-emails-1538913614) > \* > A veteran Republican operative and opposition researcher solicited and raised at least $100,000 from donors as part of an effort to obtain what he believed to be emails stolen from Hillary Clinton, activities that remain of intense interest to federal investigators working for special counsel Robert Mueller’s office and on Capitol Hill.\* Yes, but whatabout, but whatabout, but whatabout, if the democrats had catering for an event, and one of the employees of the catering company was an immigrant, then they payed for a thing of value to a foreigner with campaign money, and that makes them just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7160 "2018-10-07T17:21:35Z")
Actually, that might well be evidence that they didn’t\* know\* it was the Russians, just figured it was some bunch of hackers out to make a good old fashioned dollar! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7161 "2018-10-07T17:32:02Z")
400 pound guys gotta eat too! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7162 "2018-10-08T01:05:07Z")
Kavanaugh will factor in the Mueller and other federal investigations. And not in a good way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=357) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=359)