# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 361
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7203 "2018-10-17T13:41:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [\*\*Mueller to present key findings related to Russia probe after midterms: report \*\*](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411785-mueller-to-present-key-findings-related-to-russia-probe-after) > Okay, folks. I need someone to talk me down from the ledge. I’m starting to think the Mueller investigation is going to end with a great big whimper instead of a bang. Please tell me this whole year’s worth of work won’t turn out to be a nothingburger. ☹ > > Or, as my first husband used to say, a “nickelburger”-- no meat, no bun, just mustard. OK, how’s this: this story sounds exactly like one would expect the story to sound. Were you expecting: “Mueller to send details of entire investigation to the New York Times just before mid-terms”? That would not be By-The-Book, which is exactly how Mueller does everything. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7204 "2018-10-17T13:51:15Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > OK, how’s this: this story sounds exactly like one would expect the story to sound. Were you expecting: “Mueller to send details of entire investigation to the New York Times just before mid-terms”? That would not be By-The-Book, which is exactly how Mueller does everything. I know. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7205 "2018-10-17T16:45:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [\*\*Mueller to present key findings related to Russia probe after midterms: report \*\*](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411785-mueller-to-present-key-findings-related-to-russia-probe-after) > Okay, folks. I need someone to talk me down from the ledge. I’m starting to think the Mueller investigation is going to end with a great big whimper instead of a bang. Please tell me this whole year’s worth of work won’t turn out to be a nothingburger. ☹ Also keep in mind that I believe almost all of the other “Mueller investigation insider info” actually was leaked by Trump, Gulliani and their cadre of crazies, so there’s a very high probability this is too. How many times has a lawyer of Trump’s predicted the investigation was going to end soon? Until the leak is sourced to someone on Mueller’s team (or Rosenstein) I’m gonna go with “disinformation campaign”. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7206 "2018-10-17T17:04:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Please tell me this whole year’s worth of work won’t turn out to be a nothingburger. We were warned about this kind of stuff centuries ago. “An impeccably logical argument can lead to a false conclusion.” Zeno of Eleo, 490-430 BC ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7207 "2018-10-17T17:05:14Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > We were warned about this kind of stuff centuries ago. > > “An impeccably logical argument can lead to a false conclusion.” Zeno of Eleo, 490-430 BC We were warned that it would be a nothingburger entirely by people who were extremely vested in the outcome being a nothingburger. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7208 "2018-10-17T17:10:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > We were warned that it would be a nothingburger entirely by people who were extremely vested in the outcome being a nothingburger. Yet people ignore. At least this one will fall of the SD subs list soon… ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7209 "2018-10-17T17:13:23Z")
I’d just like to thank all the participants in thread for their enthusiastic demonstration of willful ignorance. You know who you are. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7210 "2018-10-17T17:20:49Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I’d just like to thank all the participants in thread for their enthusiastic demonstration of willful ignorance. > > You know who you are. 😉 It seems a bit premature to be declaring victory. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7211 "2018-10-17T17:44:32Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I’d just like to thank all the participants in thread for their enthusiastic demonstration of willful ignorance. > > You know who you are. 😉 Fuck off, you delusional twit. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7212 "2018-10-17T17:56:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [\*\*Mueller to present key findings related to Russia probe after midterms: report \*\*](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411785-mueller-to-present-key-findings-related-to-russia-probe-after) > Okay, folks. I need someone to talk me down from the ledge. I’m starting to think the Mueller investigation is going to end with a great big whimper instead of a bang. Please tell me this whole year’s worth of work won’t turn out to be a nothingburger. ☹ > > Or, as my first husband used to say, a “nickelburger”-- no meat, no bun, just mustard. Boy, I wish you hadn’t said that, Thelma Lou. ISTR that the last time you wanted someone to talk you down from a ledge, it was just before the 2016 election. And of course your (and mine) big fear came true. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7213 "2018-10-17T18:43:54Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I’d just like to thank all the participants in thread for their enthusiastic demonstration of willful ignorance. > > You know who you are. 😉 How’s the jammin’ going? Fully impacted yet? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7214 "2018-10-17T22:52:23Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Boy, I wish you hadn’t said that, Thelma Lou. ISTR that the last time you wanted someone to talk you down from a ledge, it was just before the 2016 election. And of course your (and mine) big fear came true. I know. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7215 "2018-10-17T23:10:31Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > Also keep in mind that I believe almost all of the other “Mueller investigation insider info” actually was leaked by Trump, Gulliani and their cadre of crazies, so there’s a very high probability this is too. > How many times has a lawyer of Trump’s predicted the investigation was going to end soon? > > Until the leak is sourced to someone on Mueller’s team (or Rosenstein) I’m gonna go with “disinformation campaign”. Yes. This ‘revelation of Mueller’s plan’ is almost certainly invented by the right. It’s a tactic intended to cause reactions such as that ThelmaLou has described. In reality, we’re going to see a lot more indictments and guilty pleas by those involved, before any ‘final presentation’ of Mueller’s findings to Mr. Rosenstein (or more likely, to whoever replaces Jeff Sessions–a new A.G. who won’t be recused). Rosenstein-or-Sessions’Successor might be minded to deep-six Mueller’s report. But that would come after a lot more actions (which might include Roger Stone or even Trump relations being indicted). Keeping the report secret will be a lot harder under those circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7216 "2018-10-17T23:20:22Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes. This ‘revelation of Mueller’s plan’ is almost certainly invented by the right. It’s a tactic intended to cause reactions such as that ThelmaLou has described. > > In reality, we’re going to see a lot more indictments and guilty pleas by those involved, before any ‘final presentation’ of Mueller’s findings to Mr. Rosenstein (or more likely, to whoever replaces Jeff Sessions–a new A.G. who won’t be recused). Rosenstein-or-Sessions’Successor might be minded to deep-six Mueller’s report. But that would come after a lot more actions (which might include Roger Stone or even Trump relations being indicted). Keeping the report secret will be a lot harder under those circumstances. Thank you for that. I feel better. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7217 "2018-10-17T23:34:39Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > Also keep in mind that I believe almost all of the other “Mueller investigation insider info” actually was leaked by Trump, Gulliani and their cadre of crazies, so there’s a very high probability this is too. > > How many times has a lawyer of Trump’s predicted the investigation was going to end soon? > > Until the leak is sourced to someone on Mueller’s team (or Rosenstein) I’m gonna go with “disinformation campaign”. I’d guess this. They might be figuring that the threat of Mueller will help to mobilize the base to get out and protect them? Not sure. Granted, I don’t think most of the previous similar claims came from Bloomberg, so there’s the chance that they have better sources. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7218 "2018-10-18T00:27:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Thank you for that. I feel better. 🙂 Just look at the massive reaction to the killing of the Saudi journalist–when clearly the Saudi government assumed it would be no big deal, or at least that reaction would die down in a few days. And Trump’s attempts to make it no big deal are, so far, failing. Look, also, at the lines for early-voting stations in Georgia. We’re going to be seeing more of that in coming days and weeks. (And though some of those voters may be Trump supporters, many are not.) People are riled up. And the more indictments that come down from the Mueller investigation, the more riled up people get. If the Mueller report were to be presented and then immediately suppressed by the Trump Administration, there would be an even more massive reaction, and it would go on and on. And someone would leak the report. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7219 "2018-10-18T09:26:46Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I’d just like to thank all the participants in thread for their enthusiastic demonstration of willful ignorance. > > You know who you are. 😉 Meanwhile, several senior members of Trump’s campaign team and personal circle are now convicted felons, and investigation continues. Are you wilfully ignoring that? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7220 "2018-10-18T17:22:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > How’s the jammin’ going? Fully impacted yet? Gawd, I LOVE this guy! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7221 "2018-10-19T18:32:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Manafort was wheeled into court in Alexandria today in a wheel chair, wearing only 1 shoe. Lawyers say his health is a concern and needs to be moved. > > Sentencing set for Feb. 9 > ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7222 "2018-10-19T18:38:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [https://twitter.com/JuliaEAinsley/status/1053346332063219712?s=19](https://twitter.com/JuliaEAinsley/status/1053346332063219712?s=19) Was his other foot jammed securely in his mouth? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=360) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=362)