# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 363
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7243 "2018-10-30T18:02:59Z")
This is a bizarre story. Several reporters received an email from a woman claiming to have been offered money, but apparently no one has actually contacted her directly. Here’s a Twitter thread from a reporter who got the email, had a Signal chat with the alleged money handler, and deemed it all a load of crap. > This is starting to look to me like some odd scheme to discredit the media more than Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7244 "2018-10-30T18:06:30Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > This is something Democrats do. I thought zombies were supposed to EAT other people’s brains, not just try to make them rot with a barrage of corrosive bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7245 "2018-10-30T18:18:14Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > This is something Democrats do. Rather, this is something that Republicans **say** Democrats do. Once again, falling into the habit of projection. Most of the time when Republicans accuse Democrats of dirty tricks, it is because that is what they would do under those circumstances, and they assume that the Democrats have the same lack of scruples that they do. It is likely that whoever was trying to fabricate evidence against Mueller did so because he believed that the same tactics worked against Kavanaugh. Not realizing that 9 out 10 times trying to bribe someone to do your dirty work will blow up in your face, and the only reason this worked for Democrats is that the accusers were actually legit and required no bribing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7246 "2018-10-30T18:31:38Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > This is a bizarre story. Several reporters received an email from a woman claiming to have been offered money, but apparently no one has actually contacted her directly. Here’s a Twitter thread from a reporter who got the email, had a Signal chat with the alleged money handler, and deemed it all a load of crap. > > [https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1057322850187538434](https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1057322850187538434) > > This is starting to look to me like some odd scheme to discredit the media more than Mueller. But he also says that it seems that Jack Burkman, the guy the woman claimed was behind the scheme, has gone forward with his claims, and the Special Counsel had to refer the incident to the FBI. So he’s saying he found the woman not to be credible, and had originally intended not to say anything, but then now it seems that Burkman is actually doing what she claimed. In other words, he is saying there is something going on here with Burkman. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7247 "2018-10-30T19:23:58Z")
A company called “Surefire Intelligence” has ties to this Mueller smear. Jacob Wohl denied having ties to Surefire. Surefire’s official phone number redirects to a voicemail box registered to Jacob’s mom. > **[Mueller refers alleged scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301)** > > "We immediately referred the matter to the FBI for investigation," said Peter Carr, spokesman for the special counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7248 "2018-10-30T19:26:28Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > A company called “Surefire Intelligence” has ties to this Mueller smear. > > Jacob Wohl denied having ties to Surefire. > > Surefire’s official phone number redirects to a voicemail box registered to Jacob’s mom. > > [Mueller refers sex misconduct scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) Holy shit, that’s funny. This is the conspiracy that took precisely 17 minutes to unravel. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7249 "2018-10-30T19:35:13Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > A company called “Surefire Intelligence” has ties to this Mueller smear. > > Jacob Wohl denied having ties to Surefire. > > Surefire’s official phone number redirects to a voicemail box registered to Jacob’s mom. > > [Mueller refers sex misconduct scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) And Jacob left his name in the website registration details > ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7250 "2018-10-30T19:40:36Z")
[Me Too?](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) How are all these pervs getting so high up in the power structure? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7251 "2018-10-30T19:41:16Z")
The republicans warned that they would be doing this. I’m not surprised. I wonder how many times it will blow up in their faces before they realize that bribing women to put their lives and reputations on the line in order to perjure themselves isn’t as easy as it looks. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7252 "2018-10-30T19:41:24Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Holy shit, that’s funny. This is the conspiracy that took precisely 17 minutes to unravel. No kidding. Right Wing Bat Shit Cult of Perpetual Grievance: “Oh, my god!! We’ve got the goods on Mueller that will finally bring him down!!!” Mueller: \ “Let me get back to work.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7253 "2018-10-30T19:43:53Z")
Who are Jacob and David Wohl? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7254 "2018-10-30T19:50:50Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Who are Jacob and David Wohl? Jacob was a hedge fund manager who has the distinction of being the [youngest person ever banned from the financial industry](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohl-teen-hedge-funder-turned-pro-trump-media-star-was-accused-of-cheating-clients). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7255 "2018-10-30T20:03:05Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > This is a bizarre story. Several reporters received an email from a woman claiming to have been offered money, but apparently no one has actually contacted her directly. Here’s a Twitter thread from a reporter who got the email, had a Signal chat with the alleged money handler, and deemed it all a load of crap. > > [https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1057322850187538434](https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1057322850187538434) > > This is starting to look to me like some odd scheme to discredit the media more than Mueller. I have this feeling as well. Something definitely feels wrong about this woman who blew the whistle on this scheme. Also, remember a few weeks ago when good hearted people were saying that someone falsely accused of a horrible crime would invite an FBI investigation. Well here we are. Mueller is acting like an innocent person unlike Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7256 "2018-10-30T20:04:24Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > [Me Too?](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) How are all these pervs getting so high up in the power structure? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7257 "2018-10-30T20:05:42Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > [Me Too?](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) How are all these pervs getting so high up in the power structure? Guessing you didn’t read your own link. Mueller was the target of a right-wing smear attempt… and it is going not great for the people conspiring to obstruct justice here. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7258 "2018-10-30T20:07:06Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Guessing you didn’t read your own link. Mueller was the target of a right-wing smear attempt… and it is going not great for the people conspiring to obstruct justice here. Or their moms, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7259 "2018-10-30T20:23:43Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > A company called “Surefire Intelligence” has ties to this Mueller smear. > > Jacob Wohl denied having ties to Surefire. > > Surefire’s official phone number redirects to a voicemail box registered to Jacob’s mom. > > [Mueller refers sex misconduct scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) The money quote: > [@](#): > > Wohl stopped responding to NBC News after being told Surefire’s official phone number redirects to his mother’s voicemail. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7260 "2018-10-30T20:31:37Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > No kidding. > > Right Wing Bat Shit Cult of Perpetual Grievance: “Oh, my god!! We’ve got the goods on Mueller that will finally bring him down!!!” > > Mueller: \ “Let me get back to work.” I guess that was **BeenJammin** who was swatted too, so sad… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7261 "2018-10-30T20:40:33Z")
> > [@](#): > > @MikeDrucker Jacob Wohl trying to scam Robert Mueller is like the scene in the first 10 minutes of every Terminator film where a guy punches the robot and breaks his hand ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7262 "2018-10-30T20:44:36Z")
I’m beginning to think Republicans really and truly don’t know the difference being lying and truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=362) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=364)