# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 365
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7283 "2018-10-31T00:55:57Z")
In all seriousness, this is evidence of the problem of inherited wealth and status in this country. It is pretty fucking obvious that Jacob Wohl is not qualified, based on merit, to do much of anything. He started a conspiracy that fell apart within minutes in absolutely laughable fashion. He thought he was qualified to do this, and he had no idea that he was way, way over his head. Because he’s been a “success” in life. But, that’s only because of his parents and his parents’ parents, that put him in positions to start hedge funds (which turned out to be frauds) and have the ear of the president of the United States. He didn’t build that. But he thinks he did. Imagine what this country could be with a true meritocracy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7284 "2018-10-31T01:00:04Z")
I appreciate the sentiment, but have no interest in world domination. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7285 "2018-10-31T01:12:19Z")
For more fun turns out Jacob Wohl was also that “just left a hipster coffee shop…” guy: > **[r/Destiny - Jacob Wohl and hipster coffee.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/9r6hpr/jacob_wohl_and_hipster_coffee/)** > > 80 votes and 10 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7286 "2018-10-31T01:13:56Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Oh my god, the suite is on the 19th floor of the hotel- where apparently there is actually a gym! This is one problem with internet detectives. A gym on the 19th floor doesn’t mean it takes up the whole floor. I mean, there’s no doubt the whole story is bullshit but this is a silly piece of proof. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7287 "2018-10-31T01:24:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > This is one problem with internet detectives. A gym on the 19th floor doesn’t mean it takes up the whole floor. I mean, there’s no doubt the whole story is bullshit but this is a silly piece of proof. In many of the nicer hotels I’ve stayed at- by no means all, of course- the gym or pool did take up the entire floor. Hmm. Spas too. I wonder if that’s for reasons of foot traffic. Those areas will have increased traffic in the corridors, and that could disturb the guests. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7288 "2018-10-31T01:40:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > In many of the nicer hotels I’ve stayed at- by no means all, of course- the gym or pool did take up the entire floor. Hmm. Spas too. > > I wonder if that’s for reasons of foot traffic. Those areas will have increased traffic in the corridors, and that could disturb the guests. Oh and I guess for security, to. A couple places your key card would only work in the elevator for your floor or public floors. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7289 "2018-10-31T01:51:35Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > In many of the nicer hotels I’ve stayed at- by no means all, of course- the gym or pool did take up the entire floor. Hmm. Spas too. > > I wonder if that’s for reasons of foot traffic. Those areas will have increased traffic in the corridors, and that could disturb the guests. So we agree. A gym doesn’t mean there’s no other rooms on the floor. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7290 "2018-10-31T01:53:01Z")
LOL, MSNBC just reported that the time frame during which Mueller was supposed to have committed sexual assault/harassment on one of the women, he was… serving on jury duty. Bit of a problem, that. Talk about your iron (butt)-clad alibi!! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7291 "2018-10-31T02:08:19Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > LOL, MSNBC just reported that the time frame during which Mueller was supposed to have committed sexual assault/harassment on one of the women, he was… serving on jury duty. > > Bit of a problem, that. Talk about your iron (butt)-clad alibi!! Well, it’s not worse than using a famous actor for one of your fake employees but it’s up there. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7292 "2018-10-31T02:11:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It isn’t that so much as that they don’t \*care \*- saving the \*\*babies \*\*and the guns, cutting taxes, keeping the brown people down, and pissing off the libbies, is what matters, and any sort of words that accomplish those ends will do. My bold. Excuse me, but that should be “saving _fetuses_.” They don’t give a damn about babies (or their parents) once they’re born. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7293 "2018-10-31T02:11:29Z")
Please, please, please let it turn out that Trump had something to do with setting this cockamamie anti-Mueller plot in motion… ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7294 "2018-10-31T03:02:41Z")
> [@HelenTroy](#): > > I’ve been following this the past couple hours on twitter and CRYING laughing. This is what twitter is good at when it isn’t complete garbage. > THE FINANCIAL INVESTIGATOR! > [https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1057369849293426689](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1057369849293426689) > Political/news twitter is on fucking fire with the jokes over Wohl who is an utter nutter/liar/right-wing blowhard. I know, redundant. So this particular October Surprise was intended to win the Republicans some pity votes …??? _ **Please, won’t you consider voting Republican? These people have no hope of getting through life without your support–please give them a regular paycheck by sending them to Congress. It’s their only chance!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7295 "2018-10-31T03:06:49Z")
Maddow’s show interviewed Natasha Bertrand, who broke the story with The Atlantic. There were some graphics of the documents that were supposedly gleaned from the “intelligence operation.” It was hard not to notice how they had been styled after a certain… dossier. Disturbing, pathetic and hilarious all at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7296 "2018-10-31T04:24:55Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > [Me Too?](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301) How are all these pervs getting so high up in the power structure? People keep voting Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7297 "2018-10-31T11:32:44Z")
Politico has an [interesting story](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060) that makes the circumstantial case that Mueller has subpoenaed the president, and that that subpoena is being fought over in federal court. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7298 "2018-10-31T13:37:27Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > In all seriousness, this is evidence of the problem of inherited wealth and status in this country. It is pretty fucking obvious that Jacob Wohl is not qualified, based on merit, to do much of anything. He started a conspiracy that fell apart within minutes in absolutely laughable fashion. He thought he was qualified to do this, and he had no idea that he was way, way over his head. Because he’s been a “success” in life. But, that’s only because of his parents and his parents’ parents, that put him in positions to start hedge funds (which turned out to be frauds) and have the ear of the president of the United States. He didn’t build that. But he thinks he did. > > Imagine what this country could be with a true meritocracy. In addition, think about this: JW is around 20 years old, meaning he grew up in a Fox News environment. His Dad, being older, probably understands (or understood) that there are two worlds - Fox World and the Real World, and that when you deal with the Real World you are operating under a different sort of standards and rules than you do under Fox World, and you must behave differently. Jacob, being raised exclusively in the RW ecosystem, likely _does not understand this_. He has grown up in an environment where Hillary Clinton, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi… all those people _do_ is break the rules and have the MSM cover it up (Thank GOD for Limbaugh, Savage, Fox, etc!) He very truly believes that women are being paid gobs of money to say nasty things, and poor young Jacob has had _enough_: He is going to do to Robert Mueller what the Dems are doing to upstanding GOPers like Moore and Kavanaugh, what they’ve _always_ done - he is going to pay women to make accusations. But the thing here is that when we think about “Fox News” viewers, we always picture older white guys. But there’s a subset of the current generation of kids who know very little other than the FN view of the world, and Jacob Wohl is exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7299 "2018-10-31T13:39:16Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Politico has an [interesting story](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060) that makes the circumstantial case that Mueller has subpoenaed the president, and that that subpoena is being fought over in federal court. Wow, that’s some old fashioned reporting based on camping out at the clerk’s office and overhearing shit and putting stuff together. And, then not overselling it by acknowledging that it is simply a strong circumstantial case. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7300 "2018-10-31T13:57:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > How do people that stupid keep their brains from running out of their nostrils? Tampons? Tightly cinched MAGA hat. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7301 "2018-10-31T13:57:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > …But the thing here is that when we think about “Fox News” viewers, we always picture older white guys. But there’s a subset of the current generation of kids who know very little other than the FN view of the world, and Jacob Wohl is exhibit A. Interesting observation. I suspect you are probably right. At least about some younger people. I have two nephews. age 30 and 32. Their parents are trump supporters and the only thing I have ever seen on TV in their house is FOX news (well, and college football). One nephew is a trump supporter, the other hates trump perhaps as much as I do. So one nephew did manage to get some actual news, while the other put blinders on. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7302 "2018-10-31T13:59:18Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Politico has an [interesting story](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060) that makes the circumstantial case that Mueller has subpoenaed the president, and that that subpoena is being fought over in federal court. Thanks for posting that. I’m usually guilty of skimming news stories, but that one really sucked me in. Fascinating. I hope that guy’s right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=364) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=366)