# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 374
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7463 "2018-11-08T00:37:32Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So, what, you want me to sit at the front of a bus? (But I don’t _ride_ busses!:() > **[Peaceful Revolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Revolution)** > > The Peaceful Revolution (German: Friedliche Revolution), as a part of the Revolutions of 1989, was the process of sociopolitical change that led to the opening of East Germany's borders with the West, the end of the ruling of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED) in the German Democratic Republic (GDR or "East Germany") in 1989 and the transition to a parliamentary democracy, which later enabled the reunification of Germany in October 1990. This happened through non-violent initiatives and d... ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7464 "2018-11-08T00:46:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The Mueller investigation is dead. > > The rule of law is dead. > > Until we revive it. And that will require extraordinary effort. > > Don’t believe me? > > Watch. Way too early to say that. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7465 "2018-11-08T00:52:33Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [Peaceful Revolution - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Revolution) I searched in the wiki page provided for the word “arrest” and from the sound of it all we’re going to have to do is stand around carrying signs. Do I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7466 "2018-11-08T01:20:44Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I searched in the wiki page provided for the word “arrest” and from the sound of it all we’re going to have to do is stand around carrying signs. Do I have that right? God, you’re a fucking tool. Go on and be daft, then. Christ all mighty, we have some fucking thick people in this society, and SMDB is supposed to be about fighting ignorance. I think the problem is that the egos of some supposedly enlightened individuals is getting in their way. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7467 "2018-11-08T01:31:53Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Don’t worry, the Senate seat held by Doug Jones, which was Sessions before he became AG, is up for election in 2020. He’ll be back. I have a vision. A vision of a freshly turfed grave, with a Keebler elf as a headstone. > [@](#): > > Here lies Jefferson Beauregard Session. Nothing left but the crumbs. December 24, 1946 — December 24, 2019 ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7468 "2018-11-08T01:51:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The Mueller investigation is dead. It’s ok. I’m sure Mueller has a plan for it. Any idiot knew that Donald was eventually going to fire him. The only surprise is that he was talked into waiting. Also - we know Mueller has multiple sealed indictments out there. All of the other investigations won’t stop even if Mueller is fired. That’s why he’s been spreading it around. On top of that, the House Intelligence Committee will be reopening its investigation and following up on all the subpoenas that Devin Nunes tried to quash. The House Ways & Means committee plans to pursue Donald’s taxes. And the great Maxine Waters will be the ranking member on the Financial Services Committee, which oversees the Fed and the Treasury, among other things, so that shit’s going to be hilarious. I approve of the protesters but we’ve got a long game to play here. > [@](#): > > The rule of law is dead. This … really isn’t true. The Rule of Law depends on thousands of people. The fuckwits in Washington are not the be all and end all. We are legion. > [@](#): > > Until we revive it. And that will require extraordinary effort. > > Don’t believe me? > > Watch. Extraordinary effort is what we’re seeing from Robert Mueller right now. And from Adam Shiff, Rod Rosenstein and everyone who has held it together for the last two years. They’re setting a hell of an example in how to resist in place. We can’t let them down by gibbering and blithering. We need to keep our focus and match their efforts, with millions of peaceful but forceful protesters. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7469 "2018-11-08T02:18:58Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > \ > > It’s looking like I’m going to be at a protest tomorrow at noon. > > [Rapid-Response Events | MoveOn.org](https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/) I’ll be joining you. Ours starts at 5:00 p.m. **Merneith** , great post. **asahi** : “Guys! _Guys_!! Validate me, tell me I was right all along!! I am the _only one_ who understands the dangers to our country posed by Trump and Republicans!! Only meeeeeee, me, me _meeeeeee_!!! I’ve never been wrong about _anything_!!!” You have more in common with Trump than you think. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7470 "2018-11-08T02:22:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ll be joining you. Ours starts at 5:00 p.m. > > **Merneith** , great post. > > **asahi** : “Guys! _Guys_!! Validate me, tell me I was right all along!! I am the _only one_ who understands the dangers to our country posed by Trump and Republicans!! Only meeeeeee, me, me _meeeeeee_!!! I’ve never been wrong about _anything_!!!” > > You have more in common with Trump than you think. You’re not gonna do shit and you know it. You’ll probably drive by and claim you were there. Don’t lecture me, coward. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7471 "2018-11-08T02:29:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You’re not gonna do shit and you know it. You’ll probably drive by and claim you were there. > > Don’t lecture me, coward. LOL, I see you have that projection thing down pat, too. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7472 "2018-11-08T02:37:04Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ll be joining you. Ours starts at 5:00 p.m. Yeah, I’d assumed it was at 12, but I think they’re all at 5:00 local time. After I posted I got an email from the local organizers giving the start time. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7473 "2018-11-08T02:37:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You’re not gonna do shit and you know it. You’ll probably drive by and claim you were there. :dubious: So, just because somebody isn’t impressed by your constant self-aggrandizing melodrama means that their own activist efforts are all a fake? > [@asahi](#): > > Don’t lecture me, coward. Um, you’re not really in a position to complain about **other** people being too inclined to “lecture”. I’m starting to wonder if **asahi** might not actually be a Trumpist false-flag operation attempting to make liberals heartily sick of dire warnings and calls to action. I like to think that a real liberal would tend to be more supportive of other liberals’ activist aims and critical thinking, instead of totally losing his shit every time someone finds his rhetoric unpersuasive or his egotism unappealing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7474 "2018-11-08T02:56:36Z")
LOL! Keep moving the goal posts. Everyone wanted me to shut up because I was a chicken little and a wack-nut pessimist, predicting all sorts of crazy outcomes. Well now that we’re living with these outcomes, the refrain is “Oh yeah? Well what are YOU doing about it?” I’m not having that debate. Reminds me of when I was debating neo-cons during the final weeks before the Iraq War. I said it was a bad idea and would fail. A year later it was “Oh yeah? Well what are you doing about terrorism?!”:rolleyes: It’s impossible to talk politics with Americans these days. Their sensitivities get offended too easily. We need lots of safe spaces. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7475 "2018-11-08T03:08:55Z")
Apologies if someone already posted this. Here’s where to find out if there’s a [protest](https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/)near you. Am I allowed to post this kind of stuff on the Dope? Not sure. If my link gets removed, just google _trump is not above the law._ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7476 "2018-11-08T03:14:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > LOL! > > Keep moving the goal posts. Everyone wanted me to shut up because I was a chicken little and a wack-nut pessimist, predicting all sorts of crazy outcomes. Well now that we’re living with these outcomes, the refrain is “Oh yeah? Well what are YOU doing about it?” > > I’m not having that debate. Reminds me of when I was debating neo-cons during the final weeks before the Iraq War. I said it was a bad idea and would fail. A year later it was “Oh yeah? Well what are you doing about terrorism?!”:rolleyes: > > It’s impossible to talk politics with Americans these days. Their sensitivities get offended too easily. We need lots of safe spaces. Fuck safe spaces. And fuck civility. And fuck any concern trolls and Repubs who want to lecture about being civil, working together and mending fences and shit. Dems control the House. That means now they need to grow a damn spine and DO something to stop Trump and his fascist traitor gang. If it were me, I’d already be all over his ass for obstruction and the firing of Sessions would be just ONE of many coffin nails I’d be hammering. Remember, Nixon thought he could fire his way out of it too. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7477 "2018-11-08T03:19:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Everyone wanted me to shut up because I was a chicken little and a wack-nut pessimist… No, we wanted you to shut up because you talk too much. Seriously, you have hijacked _“A Thread for the Mueller Investigation”_ and posted dozens of self-centered posts. Please, can you find another site to post on? Or start a _“We’re doomed, and I was right all along!”_ thread where you don’t derail multiple threads, where we’re trying to have a discussion about the Actual Thread Topic? Everyone else, why are you trying to debate this guy rationally? It’s not like he’s going to suddenly turn logical and say “Huh, good point. Maybe there are glimmers of hope. Oh, why have I wasted my life being pessimistic?” Just don’t respond. Even if, like me, you agree with the guy, we’re squirting lighter fluid on a overheated grill. Damn, I resisted so long, but I gave in… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7478 "2018-11-08T03:23:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Everyone wanted me to shut up because I was a chicken little and a wack-nut pessimist, predicting all sorts of crazy outcomes. Well now that we’re living with these outcomes This is characteristic of your attention-seeking schtick. You constantly make a whole slew of pessimistic pronouncements, ranging from the outright hysterical-nutty to the reasonably realistic. And then when one of your more reasonably realistic predictions not surprisingly comes true, you pretend that it vindicates your entire approach and refutes **all** the criticisms directed at you. No. When a man who gets mocked for proclaiming that space aliens are controlling the atmosphere predicts that it will rain tomorrow, and it actually does rain tomorrow, that does not demonstrate that he is a misunderstood genius unfairly derided as a tiresome nutbag. It merely indicates that being a tiresome nutbag doesn’t prevent him from making some accurate common-sense guesses about short-term weather trends. > [@asahi](#): > > It’s impossible to talk politics with Americans these days. No, it isn’t. Your problem is simply that you prefer the lazy option of egotistical grandstanding and melodramatic rhetoric to the more difficult task of actually discussing politics seriously and critically. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7479 "2018-11-08T03:31:12Z")
The “ignore” function was made for trolls like him. Try it out and you’ll have a much more pleasant experience in these threads. Until someone quotes his self-absorbed nattering, that is. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7480 "2018-11-08T03:35:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The “ignore” function was made for trolls like him. Try it out and you’ll have a much more pleasant experience in these threads. > > Until someone quotes his self-absorbed nattering, that is. And he finally tripped my trigger. Although, as you state, I’m sure I’ll see plenty of his posts directly quoted in full. _le sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7481 "2018-11-08T06:42:57Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > (As for last night being “uninspiring,” maybe a lot of leftists out there agreed with what I seem to recall you saying about the uselessness of voting…?) I haven’t said anything about anything being inspiring nor uninspiring, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Nor have I ever advocated anything except voting. > [@asahi](#): > > I say keep voting, keep organizing. But also understand that we live in times when the assaults on our ‘normal’ might require extraordinary action. Let me be clear: violence almost never works. I am not an advocate of violence. But what has worked in this country and others is when masses of people come together and simply refuse to be governed. It happened in India. It happened in Selma. It happened in Eastern Europe. But understand that the costs of speaking truth to power are increasing. The further down this road we go, the more expensive it is to defend our libertarian values. Those are before I was born. There are times and places where demonstration has worked. And maybe that time and place will come around again, but modern day America, versus Trump, it’s a waste of time and at least part of that is because it’s been overused as a hobby by bored people looking for an excuse to hang out and smoke dope with other lefties for the last 3.8 decades. Crying wolf does work, right up to the point where you’re just crying wolf. You can get angry about that if you want, but I’m not the one that was driving that horse into the ground at the drop of a hat for forty years. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7482 "2018-11-08T06:51:28Z")
Okay I have said that if you would vote for a criminal then don’t vote. Outside of that, I’ve only encouraged people to vote. I doubt that’s what you’re thinking of, but just to be honest. I still make that recommendation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=373) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=375)