# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 379
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7563 "2018-11-13T20:53:23Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m reminded of this thing that happened in the 60s and 70s, the folks that were screaming the loudest for violence at protests? Well, it turned out they weren’t really protesters. > > CMC fnord! Yeah, COINTELPRO. Guess Asahi’s too young to know about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7564 "2018-11-13T20:58:29Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > And Wikileaks. And Giuliani and Jill Stein and Matt Drudge ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7565 "2018-11-13T21:11:58Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’m thinking a perjury trap could be any question… “So, what did you have for breakfast?” Iirc, the lie has to be about something material [https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1748-elements-perjury-materiality](https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1748-elements-perjury-materiality) So, probly not that question. And not many of the questions I’ve heard suggested in connection with the term “perjury trap” but w/e ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7566 "2018-11-13T21:34:43Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Iirc, the lie has to be about something material Like a blow job. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7567 "2018-11-13T23:46:31Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’m thinking a perjury trap could be any question… “So, what did you have for breakfast?” > [@PatriotX](#): > > Iirc, the lie has to be about something material > > [https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1748-elements-perjury-materiality](https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1748-elements-perjury-materiality) > > So, probly not that question. > And not many of the questions I’ve heard suggested in connection with the term “perjury trap” > > but w/e It’s not about the question, it’s about the answer. “So, what did you have for Breakfast?” “There was NO collusion!!! It’s a witch hunt. I never met with the Russians! I had the biggest inaugural crowd in history! I won by a landslide! No one has ever had as many electoral votes as I had! Putin doesn’t have any financial hold over me!” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7568 "2018-11-14T00:40:16Z")
A blow job! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7569 "2018-11-14T00:52:53Z")
My favorite line from _Pulp Friction_. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7570 "2018-11-14T03:58:30Z")
I was just considering the implications of the fact that the FBI was investigating Whitaker within days of his appointment to Acting Attorney General. Who decided to start that investigation? Did it start in the DOJ or within the FBI itself? I feel like this was a proactive move by Christopher Wray, to be able to hold over Whitaker and force him to play it straight. If so, then on the one hand, good on Wray. On the other hand, that means that the FBI is using extortion to serve its own political agenda. So yay? But it would be curious to know if Rosenstein, Sessions, or someone else initiated the probe. I’d love it if Sessions did it. Maybe he decided to voluntarily step down, knowing what the plan was for his replacement, and figured that he could dick Trump over more by screwing with Whitaker after-the-fact than by letting himself be fired and having the normal line of succession go through. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7571 "2018-11-14T04:28:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > A blow job! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast. > [@JohnT](#): > > My favorite line from _Pulp Friction_. Mmm, this is a tasty penis! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7572 "2018-11-14T05:02:22Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I was just considering the implications of the fact that the FBI was investigating Whitaker within days of his appointment to Acting Attorney General. > > Who decided to start that investigation? Did it start in the DOJ or within the FBI itself? > > I feel like this was a proactive move by Christopher Wray, to be able to hold over Whitaker and force him to play it straight. > > If so, then on the one hand, good on Wray. On the other hand, that means that the FBI is using extortion to serve its own political agenda. So yay? As I understand it, [the FBI investigation into Whitaker’s company has been ongoing since at least last year](https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2018/11/10/fbi-is-investigating-criminal-charges-against-firm-the-acting-attorney-general-advised/#3f9665681c59). > [@](#): > > World Patent Marketing was an invention promotion firm based in Florida. Established in 2014 by Scott Cooper, it was shut down by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) in 2017 […] > > In 2018, the FTC obtained a judgment for the full amount allegedly lost by customers—$26 million […] > > The FTC’s action was a civil proceeding. The existence of a continuing FBI investigation indicates that the FBI is also looking into criminal charges. The investigation is being handled by the Miami office of the FBI and by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, according to an email sent to the alleged victim last year by an FBI victim specialist. “A recording on a phone line set up by the Justice Department to help victims said Friday the case remains active.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7573 "2018-11-14T05:19:32Z")
George Papadopoulos’ attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes forward to testify about Trump-Russia > **[George Papadopoulos’ attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes...](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/misfud-papadopoulos-quit-cooperate/14031/)** > > ... ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7574 "2018-11-14T05:33:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > George Papadopoulos’ attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes forward to testify about Trump-Russia > [George Papadopoulos' attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes forward to testify about Trump-Russia - Palmer Report](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/misfud-papadopoulos-quit-cooperate/14031/) Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7575 "2018-11-14T05:41:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > George Papadopoulos’ attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes forward to testify about Trump-Russia > [George Papadopoulos' attorneys decide to quit as Professor Misfud comes forward to testify about Trump-Russia - Palmer Report](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/misfud-papadopoulos-quit-cooperate/14031/) I’m not sure how I missed a “Professor Misfud” in this clusterfuck. We are approaching comic book level stupidity in this administration. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7576 "2018-11-14T11:43:35Z")
Let’s see, today is Wednesday. Is it that time again for another Trump associate to wake up and smell the Mueller? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7577 "2018-11-14T11:47:44Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > “There was NO collusion!!! It’s a witch hunt. I never met with the Russians! I had the biggest inaugural crowd in history! I won by a landslide! No one has ever had as many electoral votes as I had! Putin doesn’t have any financial hold over me!” And the strawberries. Ah, yes, the strawberries. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7578 "2018-11-14T11:54:42Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m not sure how I missed a “Professor Misfud” in this clusterfuck. We are approaching comic book level stupidity in this administration. No kidding! There’s a made-up name if I ever heard one. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7579 "2018-11-14T12:02:06Z")
He is an actual person. > **[Joseph Mifsud: The mystery professor behind Trump Russia inquiry](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43488581)** > > A Maltese professor, the "selfie king" of the diplomatic circuit, has played a key part in the Russia inquiry. > **[Joseph Mifsud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mifsud)** > > Joseph Mifsud (born 1960) is a Maltese academic. In 2016, he became involved with George Papadopoulos, an advisor to the Donald Trump presidential campaign, and was later accused of being a link between that campaign and Russia. In 2018, he was described as missing, and an Italian court listed his location as "residence unknown". According to media reports, he was in Rome as of April 2019. > Mifsud holds a bachelor's degree in education from the University of Malta (1982) and a master's degree i... ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7580 "2018-11-14T13:35:46Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m not sure how I missed a “Professor Misfud” in this clusterfuck. We are approaching comic book level stupidity in this administration. Mifsud was allegedly the link between Papadop and Russian intelligence personnel with access to hacked emails. After the Russia investigation began in earnest he disappeared and was presumed by some people to be dead. Apparently he has now resurfaced and wants to talk. Should be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7581 "2018-11-14T15:37:46Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > And the strawberries. Ah, yes, the strawberries. Yes. Trump has proved beyond the shadow of a doubt there’s no collusion and with… geometric logic! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7582 "2018-11-14T15:45:18Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Mifsud was allegedly the link between Papadop and Russian intelligence personnel with access to hacked emails. After the Russia investigation began in earnest he disappeared and was presumed by some people to be dead. > > Apparently he has now resurfaced and wants to talk. Should be interesting. Not only that, but IIRC, Papadop is suspected by Mueller of delaying the FBI’s investigation so that Mifsud had time to flee. So… 1. Mifsud returns! 2. Papadops lawyers file to quit! While I am sure the universe is full of wonder and mystery beyond human imagination, I’m not a big believer of coincidences of timing involving developments in legal proceedings. I would not want to be George “Covfefe boy” Papadopolous right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=378) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=380)