# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 384
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7663 "2018-11-23T20:34:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If he and Pence resign, effective at the same instant…President Pelosi? If they did, then that would be the most likely result based on the way things look right now. But I don’t see Pence resigning. I think he had and has maintained the good sense to stay as far away as possible from Trump and any of his dealings, both during the election and since taking the VP role. I would strongly expect that he went above and beyond the duty to raise any questionable activities that he did encounter, every time he has been interviewed by the FBI or Mueller so that, should Trump be deposed, there are transcripts he can cause to get leaked and show just how much he was not in bed with any of that nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7664 "2018-11-23T20:40:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If he and Pence resign, effective at the same instant…President Pelosi? Honestly, I’ve long wondered if that wasn’t fundamentally the reason the Republican Congress stuck with Trump. They just don’t know if Mueller’s investigation is going to grab up Pence or not. If they knew for sure they could get and keep President Pence, they’d have shanked Trump long ago. But President Pelosi… that’s a bridge too far for any Republican, Trumpian or otherwise. Could happen, though. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7665 "2018-11-23T20:40:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > His own. Oh. Yeah. I’m having a hard time keeping up with the players. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7666 "2018-11-23T20:44:46Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If they did, then that would be the most likely result based on the way things look right now. > > But I don’t see Pence resigning. I think he had and has maintained the good sense to stay as far away as possible from Trump and any of his dealings, both during the election and since taking the VP role. I would strongly expect that he went above and beyond the duty to raise any questionable activities that he did encounter, **every time he has been interviewed by the FBI or Mueller** so that, should Trump be deposed, there are transcripts he can cause to get leaked and show just how much he was not in bed with any of that nonsense. Do you have a cite for the part I bolded? Pence was out publicly soliciting an interview with Mueller just a few weeks ago. [I don’t think he’s been interviewed](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/413554-mueller-has-not-interviewed-pence). (The Hill) Nor do I think he will be. He publicly lied about his knowledge about Flynn’s role with the Russians when he was chairman of Trump’s transition team. I don’t think Mueller is going to give him a pass. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7667 "2018-11-23T20:57:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If he and Pence resign, effective at the same instant…President Pelosi? Here is a liberal conspiracy theory that I’ve heard: First, put on tin-foil hat. During the run up to the 2016 election, some Five Eyes agencies hacked into the cell phones of various prominent US politicians and basically turned the phones into microphones. Supposedly there are recordings of Pence, Ryan, McConnell, and others discussing how to funnel Russian money to the RNC through the NRA and other domestic entities. Mueller has these recordings but can’t directly use them because he can’t publicly admit that our allies are doing this. This explains why Ryan is leaving and McConnell won’t protect Mueller. The liberal fantasy is that Trump, Pence, Ryan, McConnell. and other corrupt Republicans will be indicted, or at the very least, resign/quit for “personal reasons” (like Ryan and his wanting to spend time with his family). All “They” are waiting for is for Pelosi to become Speaker. Then with the indictments and/or resignations in hand, Pelosi becomes President. You can remove tin-foil hat now and I return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7668 "2018-11-23T20:58:50Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Do you have a cite for the part I bolded? Pence was out publicly soliciting an interview with Mueller just a few weeks ago. [I don’t think he’s been interviewed](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/413554-mueller-has-not-interviewed-pence). (The Hill) > > Nor do I think he will be. He publicly lied about his knowledge about Flynn’s role with the Russians when he was chairman of Trump’s transition team. I don’t think Mueller is going to give him a pass. I thought he had been interviewed by the FBI, in regards to Michael Flynn, but I can’t find confirmation. I don’t know of any sit-down with Mueller, but he could well have written a statement and sent it over or answered a set of questions via his lawyers, and we wouldn’t know. He has a pretty strong motive to clear himself, so I would guess that he has done something, even if it wasn’t asked for. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7669 "2018-11-23T21:00:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The answers is undefined,… Oh right - forgot to define the variables: I is number of indictments and g is guilty pleas. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7670 "2018-11-23T21:08:18Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I thought he had been interviewed by the FBI, in regards to Michael Flynn, but I can’t find confirmation. > > I don’t know of any sit-down with Mueller, but he could well have written a statement and sent it over or answered a set of questions via his lawyers, and we wouldn’t know. He has a pretty strong motive to clear himself, so I would guess that he has done something, even if it wasn’t asked for. Oh, I’m sure he’d like to clear himself. I don’t think he can. And I don’t think Mueller believes he can, either. [Pence _Would_ Speak with Mueller… if Only He Would Ask](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/09/pence-mueller-investigation-counsel-812351). (Politico) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7671 "2018-11-23T21:14:56Z")
**Aspenglow** , if there’s no autopsy revealing the cause of death as polonium, then it wasn’t polonium. Yes, a government like Russia _could_ use polonium to kill someone and then cover it up, but why? There are lots of easier ways to kill someone, and easier ways to cover it up. The whole point of using polonium is to _not_ cover it up: It makes it undeniably 100% clear that the killer was the government of a major world power. They want people to know that, for the intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7672 "2018-11-23T21:19:03Z")
**Chronos** , I meant the polonium reference in a sarcastic manner. I’m sorry that didn’t come through. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7673 "2018-11-23T21:45:20Z")
A CNN legal analyst and former prosecutor, Elie Honig, opines that if Mueller is entertaining a plea-and-cooperation agreement with Corsi, it suggests Mueller has “hard proof” of (something?) on Roger Stone. The logic, as I understand it, is that Corsi is a nut and therefore a bad witness. Prosecutors don’t enter into cooperation agreements with nuts unless they have a ton of other evidence. IANAL, so I have no idea if this is a sound analysis. I believe Stone is seen as one of the key middlemen between Trump and Wikileaks/Russia (as well as being a general ratfucker). If indeed a Corsi deal means Mueller is about to roll up Stone, that is good news indeed. > ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7674 "2018-11-23T21:53:13Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > A CNN legal analyst and former prosecutor, Elie Honig, opines that if Mueller is entertaining a plea-and-cooperation agreement with Corsi, it suggests Mueller has “hard proof” of (something?) on Roger Stone. The logic, as I understand it, is that Corsi is a nut and therefore a bad witness. Prosecutors don’t enter into cooperation agreements with nuts unless they have a ton of other evidence. > > IANAL, so I have no idea if this is a sound analysis. I believe Stone is seen as one of the key middlemen between Trump and Wikileaks/Russia (as well as being a general ratfucker). If indeed a Corsi deal means Mueller is about to roll up Stone, that is good news indeed. > > [https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1066037039622221824?s=19](https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1066037039622221824?s=19) Reasonable interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7675 "2018-11-23T22:04:02Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Oh right - forgot to define the variables: I is number of indictments and g is guilty pleas. And F is the grade you receive for your latest shitwitticism. Don’t be discouraged— at least you’re showing signs of improvement! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7676 "2018-11-23T22:40:53Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Oh right - forgot to define the variables: I is number of indictments and g is guilty pleas. I’m reasonably certain that neither of those two numbers is related to the number of days that we have to wait, let alone in accordance with your formula. And granted, I’m sure that you didn’t intend your formula to be an actual formula, just something stupid to be able to say, but well…you’d have to explain to me the value of saying something stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7677 "2018-11-23T22:57:41Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The AP and Washington Post are reporting that leading conservative intellectual\* Jerome Corsi is in plea negotiations with Mueller. > > \*Of course, he’s no Dinesh D’Souza or Bill O’Reilly, but I’d call Corsi close to the top tier of conservative thought leaders. Man, you are _vicious_. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7678 "2018-11-23T23:20:55Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The AP and Washington Post are reporting that leading conservative intellectual\* Jerome Corsi is in plea negotiations with Mueller. > > \*Of course, he’s no Dinesh D’Souza or Bill O’Reilly, but I’d call Corsi close to the top tier of conservative thought leaders. Marcy Wheeler has a [post](https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/11/23/is-jerome-corsi-trying-to-get-trump-to-intervene/) today on this. In it, she quotes a Washington Post [article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/special-counsel-examines-conflicting-accounts-as-scrutiny-of-roger-stone-and-wikileaks-deepens/2018/10/21/db9ab1c2-bde5-11e8-be70-52bd11fe18af_story.html?utm_term=.720ec27753fb) and implies that Corsi might not just be part of the Stone / Wikileaks investigation. > [@Washington Post](#): > > Around that time, Trump took up the conspiracy theory, questioning Obama’s citizenship and demanding that he release his birth certificate. > > Stone said that during a conversation with Trump in 2011, “he said to me, ‘Who is this guy, Jerome Corsi?’” Stone recalled. > > Stone said he asked Trump why he was inquiring about Corsi. > > “I’ve been talking to him,” Stone recalled Trump saying. > > Stone said that Corsi also met with Trump during the 2016 campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7679 "2018-11-24T00:37:01Z")
One thing worth noting is that Russia has long had conspiracy theorists on their books. And before becoming President, Trump was relatively famous as a conspiracy theorist. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7680 "2018-11-24T15:03:05Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I would just like to add that you’re a moron. Is your POV based on a pervasive developmental disorder, or just the result of slow learners mating for many generations? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7681 "2018-11-24T15:05:08Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > One thing worth noting is that Russia has long had conspiracy theorists on their books. Another thing worth noting is the total absence of any substance whatsoever in this post. How DO you do it? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7682 "2018-11-24T15:33:22Z")
I thought Polonium was that dithering old nitwit in _Hamlet_? The one who lost a game of Hide and Stab? > [@](#): > > Polonium: And now is blade of steel twixt gut and bladder, abruptly interposed… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=383) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=385)