# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 385
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7683 "2018-11-24T18:38:32Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Is your POV based on a pervasive developmental disorder, or just the result of slow learners mating for many generations? > [@BeenJammin](#): > > Another thing worth noting is the total absence of any substance whatsoever in this post. How DO you do it? :smack: You really suck at trolling. What do your Russian overlords pay you, 1 ct per post? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7684 "2018-11-24T18:54:19Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Is your POV based on a pervasive developmental disorder, or just the result of slow learners mating for many generations? wow. you sure showed him. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7685 "2018-11-24T19:35:59Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > You really suck at trolling. What do your Russian overlords pay you, 1 ct per post? How a bout a few tips from the expert to help out a fellow troll, then? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7686 "2018-11-24T20:26:18Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7687 "2018-11-24T20:53:24Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Is your POV based on a pervasive developmental disorder Yes. As was yours. That’s how that works. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7688 "2018-11-24T21:26:57Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > How a bout a few tips from the expert to help out a fellow troll, then? 😉 You troll for tips? Man, you got scammed, you really should have held out for an hourly rate. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7689 "2018-11-26T00:58:44Z")
MAGA - Mueller’s A Great American! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7690 "2018-11-26T02:34:31Z")
In the FWIW Dept., [Alan Dershowitz](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alan-dershowitz-mueller-report_us_5bfad06de4b0771fb6b9dcfc) throws in his 2 cents: > [@](#): > > Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard law professor and frequent defender of President Donald Trump, has a grim prediction for the president regarding the outcome of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation. > > “I think the report is going to be devastating to the president,” Dershowitz told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “And I know that the president’s team is already working on a response to the report. … When I say devastating, I mean it’s going to paint a picture that’s going to be politically very devastating.” > > Dershowitz expressed doubt that Mueller’s findings would result in criminal charges against the president, stating that “collusion is not criminal.” He also dismissed host George Stephanopoulos’ suggestion that the special counsel could accuse Trump of conspiring “to cooperate with an attempt to defraud the U.S. government.” > > “It’s too much of a stretch,” Dershowitz told Stephanopoulos. “What I think Mueller is going to do if he’s smart ― he’s not going to take the chance on being rebutted … he’s going to lay out the facts, leave it to Congress to decide whether that rises to the level of an impeachable offense.” > … ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7691 "2018-11-26T02:43:30Z")
Mueller is smart - too smart to fall for Dershowitz’ attempt to declare that it’s stretch to indict the president for conspiring to defraud the US (ie - collusion) because unlike Dershowitz, Mueller has seen all the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7692 "2018-11-26T06:16:07Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m reasonably certain that neither of those two numbers is related to the number of days that we have to wait, let alone in accordance with your formula. > > And granted, I’m sure that you didn’t intend your formula to be an actual formula, just something stupid to be able to say, but well…you’d have to explain to me the value of saying something stupid. Based off of precedent, saying something stupid could get him the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7693 "2018-11-26T06:20:37Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Another thing worth noting is the total absence of any substance whatsoever in this post. How DO you do it? :smack: (As Good As It Gets) Receptionist: How do you write women so well? Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. (/As Good As It Gets) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7694 "2018-11-26T09:45:19Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Based off of precedent, saying something stupid could get him the White House. You make Rat sad. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7695 "2018-11-27T00:24:02Z")
Oh, _snap!_ [Mueller: Manafort Has Lied To Investigators Since Plea Deal](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-manafort-has-lied-to-investigators-since-plea-deal) > [@](#): > > Special counsel Robert Mueller said in a court filing Monday that Paul Manafort had breached his plea agreement by lying to investigators since signing the agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7696 "2018-11-27T00:26:16Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, _snap!_ > > [Mueller: Manafort Has Lied To Investigators Since Plea Deal](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-manafort-has-lied-to-investigators-since-plea-deal) If he knows Manafort lied, it means he already had conclusive answers to at least some of the questions. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7697 "2018-11-27T00:28:39Z")
So what does this mean exactly? I know it’s bad form to lie to federal investigators, but…what now? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7698 "2018-11-27T00:33:53Z")
He’s in worse shape than if he had just pleaded guilty and didn’t cooperate. He gets sentenced, and the deal is invalidated. The judge can take his lying into account in sentencing. It likely means he expects a pardon. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7699 "2018-11-27T00:38:00Z")
Don’t forget that now they’ll likely be bringing charges against him _because_ of his lying; those lies were federal crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7700 "2018-11-27T00:44:10Z")
I’m guessing it also means that everything he told Mueller is useless except to use as leads for further investigation? If you have a deal on the table, and the only thing that you have to do to avoid spending the rest of your life in jail is to tell the truth, then there must be some compelling reason for lying. Either expectation of a pardon or expectation of being murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7701 "2018-11-27T00:49:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Mueller: Manafort Has Lied To Investigators Since Plea Deal So like this man just can’t stop committing crimes? It’s like he’s addicted to the rush or something. You’ve got to admire his commitment to doing crimes though, he’s done 100% of the crimes he’s had the opportunity to do. Alternate lede: “Mueller’s team just filed a brief stating that former Trump Campaign Chairman has repeatedly lied to the FBI and special prosecutors and they’re done with it and him and would like to proceed to sentencing now, please throw the book at him” ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7702 "2018-11-27T01:10:22Z")
Or expectation that you won’t be caught. These guys have outsized egos and are convinced in their ability to pull the wool over Mueller’s eyes, to their own detriment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=384) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=386)