# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 387
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7723 "2018-11-27T17:08:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Very true. But remember [how Trump mentioned Wikileaks no fewer than 164 times in the last month of the election](https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1067453427687583757)? Curious, that. I’m reminded of a line from American Graffiti: “I know everything your dirty little mind is thinking. It shows…” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7724 "2018-11-27T17:22:06Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Quite a few security people are skeptical of this. Huge if true, but it’s single sourced right now. So far, everyone involved is denying it. Assange, Manafort, Wikileaks - all say it never happened. That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. A guy like Manafort finds out that Assange has real dirt on Hillary, he could well decide to go talk to him to see what he has. And I don’t really see the scandal. How would that be any different than Chrispher Steele getting dirt on Trump from the Russians? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7725 "2018-11-27T17:47:00Z")
Wired has an interesting summary of the latest events. [Garrett M. Graff - Robert Mueller’s Endgame May Be in Sight](https://www.wired.com/story/manafort-mueller-russia-investigation-endgame/) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7726 "2018-11-27T17:51:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So far, everyone involved is denying it. Assange, Manafort, Wikileaks - all say it never happened. > > That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. A guy like Manafort finds out that Assange has real dirt on Hillary, he could well decide to go talk to him to see what he has. And I don’t really see the scandal. How would that be any different than Chrispher Steele getting dirt on Trump from the Russians? Aras Agalarov, who orchestrated that meeting in Trump Tower in Manhattan and would have been the key man in the building of a Trump Tower in Moscow. IOW: rubles. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7727 "2018-11-27T17:55:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So far, everyone involved is denying it. Assange, Manafort, Wikileaks - all say it never happened. Yeah. Seeing that too. And I like the healthy skepticism. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7728 "2018-11-27T18:15:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And I don’t really see the scandal. How would that be any different than Chrispher Steele getting dirt on Trump from the Russians? Because Wikileaks’ dirt was stolen. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7729 "2018-11-27T19:56:34Z")
Carl Bernstein reports that Mueller is looking into a meeting between Manafort and Ecuador’s president. Specifically Mueller is interested in discussion of Assange or WikiLeaks. Not quite a second source for Manafort meeting Assange, but would be odd outside that context. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7730 "2018-11-27T20:12:49Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Wired has an interesting summary of the latest events. > > [Garrett M. Graff - Robert Mueller’s Endgame May Be in Sight](https://www.wired.com/story/manafort-mueller-russia-investigation-endgame/) Yeah, like he was going to issue indictments last week. And the week before that. And the week before that ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7731 "2018-11-27T20:22:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Yeah, like he was going to issue indictments last week. And the week before that. And the week before that Right? Why does it keep feeling like there’s another shoe to drop. WE WANT THE SHOE DAMMIT! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7732 "2018-11-27T20:31:52Z")
Patience, Grasshopper. Do you want the other shoe? Or wouldn’t you rather have the whole shoe store? Put another way: An old bull and a young bull were standing on a hill overlooking a herd of cows. The young bull says, ‘Let’s run down there and screw one of those cows!’ The old bull says, ‘Let’s _walk_ down and screw all of them.’ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7733 "2018-11-27T20:35:53Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Carl Bernstein reports that Mueller is looking into a meeting between Manafort and Ecuador’s president. Specifically Mueller is interested in discussion of Assange or WikiLeaks. > > Not quite a second source for Manafort meeting Assange, but would be odd outside that context. Why did Assange select the Ecuadorian embassy, does Ecuador not extradite? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7734 "2018-11-27T21:40:25Z")
Oh, _snap!_ [Mueller has emails from Stone to Corsi about impending Wikileaks Dem-damaging email dump, including the October Podesta dump](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-has-emails-stone-pal-corsi-about-wikileaks-dem-email-n940611). > [@](#): > > Two months before WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Clinton campaign, right-wing conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi sent an email to former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone anticipating the document dump, according to draft court papers obtained by NBC News. > > “Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps,” Corsi wrote on Aug. 2, 2016, referring to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, according to the draft court papers. “One shortly after I’m back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.” > > The email was revealed in a draft court document, known as a statement of the offense, sent to Corsi by special counsel Robert Mueller’s office. Mueller also sent Corsi a draft plea agreement stipulating that the special counsel would not oppose Corsi requesting a sentence of probation if he agreed to plead guilty to one count of lying to federal investigators. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7735 "2018-11-27T21:43:15Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump is extra ornery again this morning on twitter. Interesting how Mueller drops this revelation on Manafort almost immediately after receiving the official response from Trump himself. I don’t think he’s done with Trump just yet, and he might not be anywhere near done with him. I’m rather surprised that Trump isn’t calling Mathew Whitaker every 5 minutes demanding he sack Mueller. He probably has for all we know, and has probably been just barely talked out of it. The turning point was August. Once Manafort got convicted on those 8 counts, that pretty much should have been the writing on the wall for Trump. There’s no conventional way out of this mess. He has to fire Mueller and use all of his presidential power, or he and his criminal enterprise are going to go up in smoke. That is his only way out. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7736 "2018-11-27T21:44:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, _snap!_ > > [Mueller has emails from Stone to Corsi about impending Wikileaks Dem-damaging email dump, including the October Podesta dump](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-has-emails-stone-pal-corsi-about-wikileaks-dem-email-n940611). So there you have it: a rigged election. And an illegitimate president – check that, an illegitimate imbecilic president. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7737 "2018-11-27T21:55:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Patience, Grasshopper. > > Do you want the other shoe? Or wouldn’t you rather have the whole shoe store? > > Put another way: An old bull and a young bull were standing on a hill overlooking a herd of cows. The young bull says, ‘Let’s run down there and screw one of those cows!’ The old bull says, ‘Let’s _walk_ down and screw all of them.’ Could we maybe settle for getting the whole shoe store - one shoe at a time, but at a vastly increased cadence? Or put another way, a different bull says ‘Maybe instead not worry about how we get down there so long as we can keep screwing cows till the cows come home!’ \<– Spoiler: that analogy doesn’t work. Never mind. Move along. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7738 "2018-11-27T21:57:35Z")
Damned bulls better watch out - with that attitude, they’re gonna start a #MooToo movement… (stands here proudly. defiantly.) ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7739 "2018-11-27T22:13:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Damned bulls better watch out - with that attitude, they’re gonna start a #MooToo movement… > > (stands here proudly. defiantly.) Well played. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7740 "2018-11-27T22:43:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So there you have it: a rigged election. > > And an illegitimate president – check that, an illegitimate imbecilic president. How is it rigged if you have access to email that someone else stole? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7741 "2018-11-27T22:49:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Damned bulls better watch out - with that attitude, they’re gonna start a #MooToo movement… > > (stands here proudly. defiantly.) You gotta have some big brass bulls to make a joke like that. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7742 "2018-11-27T23:51:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So far, everyone involved is denying it. Assange, Manafort, Wikileaks - all say it never happened. > > That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. A guy like Manafort finds out that Assange has real dirt on Hillary, he could well decide to go talk to him to see what he has. And I don’t really see the scandal. How would that be any different than Chrispher Steele getting dirt on Trump from the Russians? [We already know](https://www.wsj.com/articles/roger-stone-sought-information-on-clinton-from-assange-emails-show-1527191428?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1) that Roger Stone was talking with Assange about getting dirt on Hillary. And we know that Stone was openly bragging about his contacts with Guccifer 2.0, who did the hacking. And we know that Guccifer & the hackers were connected to the GRU. And we know that Manafort was also connected to the Russians and was an associate of Roger Stone. The difference between all this and Christopher Steele is that Steele wasn’t the pimp for Trump’s prostitute pee pals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=386) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=388)