# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 392
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7823 "2018-11-29T19:02:56Z")
Hell, let’s just hope he doesn’t bother coming back from Argentina. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7824 "2018-11-29T19:05:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > What the extradition situation between Argentina and the US? Asking for a president. I’d love it if he went back to teh airport and AF1 was “missing”… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7825 "2018-11-29T19:13:53Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I heard on the radio this morning that Jeff Flake is holding up judicial nominations as long as McConnell refuses to hear the Mueller protection stuff. So there’s that. And Lindsey Graham is saying he won’t vote on anything till the CIA is allowed to testify about the Khashoggi murder. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7826 "2018-11-29T19:26:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And Lindsey Graham is saying he won’t vote on anything till the CIA is allowed to testify about the Khashoggi murder. He said that, but he voted to advance Thomas Farr’s judicial nomination almost immediately after that. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7827 "2018-11-29T19:28:41Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I’d think it more likely that he would flee to Russia. I’d go North Korea over Russia. If Trump knows anything substantial, he might accidentally fall from a balcony in Russia. North Korea, on the other hand, would love to flaunt Trump to the world and would probably treat him very well. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7828 "2018-11-29T19:29:42Z")
Giuliani says that Trump’s written responses[line up with Michael Cohen’s testimony](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/politics/trump-cohen-moscow-trump-tower.html). Which is interesting considering Trump said Michael Cohen’s testimony was lies earlier today. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7829 "2018-11-29T19:46:07Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > …If Trump knows anything substantial, he might accidentally fall from a balcony in Russia… Does he know that? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7830 "2018-11-29T19:48:12Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > I’d go North Korea over Russia. If Trump knows anything substantial, he might accidentally fall from a balcony in Russia. North Korea, on the other hand, would love to flaunt Trump to the world and would probably treat him very well. Jong Un could even erect a huge statue of trump next to his own. Just a little shorter of course ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7831 "2018-11-29T20:00:13Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Giuliani says that Trump’s written responses[line up with Michael Cohen’s testimony](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/politics/trump-cohen-moscow-trump-tower.html). Which is interesting considering Trump said Michael Cohen’s testimony was lies earlier today. This is hilarious. From the first paragraph of this article: > [@](#): > > President Trump’s recollection of discussions about building a Trump Tower in Moscow aligned with those of his longtime fixer Michael D. Cohen, the president’s lawyers said on Thursday Then, the last 2 paragraphs: > [@](#): > > “He has so many different versions of the same stories, so by definition he is a liar and we can’t trust him,” Mr. Giuliani said of Mr. Cohen. “He has lied, so how can we believe him?” > > He added: “Cohen has just told us he’s a liar. Given the fact that he’s a liar, I can’t tell you what he’s lying about.” I know, it’s really hard to keep the stories straight. But surely they can do better than this. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7832 "2018-11-29T20:02:52Z")
[Weeee… More obstruction.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/1bbc7981-7a20-3e47-b629-97b53321b857/trump-threatens-to-declassify.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump threatened to declassify “devastating” documents next year if House Democrats launch probes into his administration. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7833 "2018-11-29T20:06:24Z")
Not to mention that if Trump now agrees with Cohen’s new version of events, why didn’t he correct Cohen’s incorrect testimony to Congress? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7834 "2018-11-29T20:08:29Z")
I remain in awe of Mueller. In one fell swoop, he managed to bolster the Congressional investigations, tie Trump directly to the Russian election subversion conspiracy, rattle Trump to the point that he felt he had to call off his planned meeting with Vlad, demonstrate the pressing need for Congress to protect his investigation… and just for grins, throw a little more validation for Christopher Steele’s dossier. We can expect even more jaw-dropping clarity when he files his sentencing recommendations for Manafort tomorrow. I don’t think it will be filed under seal. And Matthew Whitaker is helpless to stop any of it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7835 "2018-11-29T20:12:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Jong Un could even erect a huge statue of trump next to his own. Just a little shorter of course Joining hands across the border. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7836 "2018-11-29T20:16:52Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I remain in awe of Mueller. > > In one fell swoop, he managed to bolster the Congressional investigations, tie Trump directly to the Russian election subversion conspiracy, rattle Trump to the point that he felt he had to call off his planned meeting with Vlad, demonstrate the pressing need for Congress to protect his investigation… and just for grins, throw a little more validation for Christopher Steele’s dossier. Not to mention the fact that he has, via Cohen, probably invalidated most, if not all, of Trump’s written answers on the take-home test. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7837 "2018-11-29T20:30:08Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Not to mention the fact that he has, via Cohen, probably invalidated most, if not all, of Trump’s written answers on the take-home test. Was it multiple guess? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7838 "2018-11-29T20:33:01Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Not to mention the fact that he has, via Cohen, probably invalidated most, if not all, of Trump’s written answers on the take-home test. Was that his plan all along? Get Trump’s lies on paper; then get Cohen’s truthful version. Perjury trap! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7839 "2018-11-29T20:38:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I heard on the radio this morning that Jeff Flake is holding up judicial nominations as long as McConnell refuses to hear the Mueller protection stuff. So there’s that. No, there isn’t that. Jeff Flake is a coward that likes to talk but never once backs it up. He does more damage than those that just immediately fall in line because he gives cover to the fiction of opposition to Trump. > **[Jeff Flake caves again -- withdrawing his 'no' vote on controversial judge so...](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/jeff-flake-caves-withdrawing-no-vote-controversial-judge-pence-break-tie/)** > > Outgoing Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) flaked again when he withdrew his "no" vote against controversial judicial nominee Jonathan Kobes. Flake has pledged to stage an epic protest against President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell... ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7840 "2018-11-29T20:42:46Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > And Deutsche Bank [raided](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/business/deutsche-bank-money-laundering-raid.html) this morning in money laundering case. Trump’s favorite bank. My expectation would be that the police would only be able to look at the the information which is relevant to their criminal pursuits, not just any-old customer. So unless Trump is in the Panama Papers (which, I don’t believe, anyone has been able to show), I don’t see his information being looked at. And, quite potentially, his data only exists in the US, not Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7841 "2018-11-29T20:58:58Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I know this approaches tinfoil hattery, but the [Deutche Bank lending Trump a billion dollars](https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6?utm_source=reddit.com) when no one else would touch him, under the leadership of recently retired justice Anthony Kennedy’s son, seems somewhat sketchy. Especially since Deutsche Bank was [laundering Russian money](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-that-lent-300m-to-trump-linked-to-russian-money-laundering-scam) at the time. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7842 "2018-11-29T21:07:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I remain in awe of Mueller. > > In one fell swoop, he managed to bolster the Congressional investigations, tie Trump directly to the Russian election subversion conspiracy, rattle Trump to the point that he felt he had to call off his planned meeting with Vlad, demonstrate the pressing need for Congress to protect his investigation… and just for grins, throw a little more validation for Christopher Steele’s dossier. > > We can expect even more jaw-dropping clarity when he files his sentencing recommendations for Manafort tomorrow. I don’t think it will be filed under seal. > > And Matthew Whitaker is helpless to stop any of it. Mueller is one sharp cookie. Loving this headline: [**Experts Agree: Robert Mueller Just Played Donald Trump Like a Fiddle**](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/experts-agree-robert-mueller-just-played-donald-trump-like-a-fiddle/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=391) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=393)