# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 396
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7903 "2018-11-30T16:50:14Z")
[Golly, it looks like Donnie Half-Scoop’s testimony before Congress doesn’t exactly line up with what Cohen’s now saying about the Russia talks.](https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/672188201/trump-jr-s-2017-testimony-conflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2059&fbclid=IwAR0UeR35vHh9_ILgXKTbO-iE9ccbipXgiPEIap6YwgQcLQcS9a9qQOrG7Do) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump Jr.'s testimony to Congress about his family’s real estate negotiations with powerful Russians does not comport with the new version laid out by Donald Trump’s ex-attorney Michael Cohen, official transcripts show. > > Trump Jr. told the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017 that although there had been negotiations surrounding a prospective Trump Tower in Moscow, they concluded without result “at the end” of 2014. > > “But not in 2015 or 2016?” Trump Jr. was asked. > > “Certainly not '16,” he said. “There was never a definitive end to it. It just died of deal fatigue.” > > Trump’s account contrasts with the new version of events given by Cohen on Thursday in a guilty plea in federal court. In that new version, Cohen says the discussions with at least one Russian government official and others in Moscow continued through June 2016, well into Trump’s presidential campaign. > … > The shift in understanding of the events of 2016 provided by Cohen is important for a few reasons: > > First, it called into question the Trump family’s denials about having business dealings with Russians. Second, it confirmed the Trumps had a channel open with powerful Russians at the same time the Russian government was waging a widespread campaign of “active measures” against the United States. > … > The contrast between Cohen’s statement and Trump Jr’s version of events may complicate potential legal problems for Trump Jr. Although seldom prosecuted, lying to Congress is against the law — as evidenced by Cohen’s plea. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7904 "2018-11-30T17:03:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The memo detailing the latest facts of Manaforts broken plea deal was to be filed today, but the gov’t asked for (with the defense having no objection) the right to file it on Dec 7th, which was granted. What’s on Donnie’s calendar that day? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7905 "2018-11-30T17:11:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > What’s on Donnie’s calendar that day? Travelling to Hawaii for the Pearl Harbor Day commemoration service and then spending the whole time in his hotel room waiting for Vlad to call instead. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7906 "2018-11-30T17:17:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Travelling to Hawaii for the Pearl Harbor Day commemoration service and then spending the whole time in his hotel room waiting for Vlad to call instead. Hope people still have their ‘Welcome to Kenya’ signs. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7907 "2018-11-30T17:18:57Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m a Cybersecurity consultant. I’d be interested in such a book. Cool. I hope I can get it finished and up for sale while it’s still topical. Hopefully getting it out late in 2019 will make it relevant as the 2020 election cycle is ramping up. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7908 "2018-11-30T17:21:56Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Cool. I hope I can get it finished and up for sale while it’s still topical. Hopefully getting it out late in 2019 will make it relevant as the 2020 election cycle is ramping up. I’m a former IT manager. I’d be interested as well. Please keep us posted. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7909 "2018-11-30T17:31:55Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Cool. I hope I can get it finished and up for sale while it’s still topical. Hopefully getting it out late in 2019 will make it relevant as the 2020 election cycle is ramping up. Thanks for the links and I’d be interested in your book as well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7910 "2018-11-30T17:38:11Z")
This latest bit clearly has the Donald rattled. He was gonna give his bestie Putin a free penthouse. Probably a bit below the payoff that Vlad is used to getting but hey it shows his warm feelings. So we know Donald had incentive to curry favor from a hostile foreign leader for private financial gain. What could go wrong? After repeatedly lying during the campaign about having nothing to do with Russia we find out that they already had the graft worked out. So Mueller gets Donald’s written answers and within days he gets a witness to admit that he lied to Congress- I bet dollars to donuts that the written answers match the lies that Cohen now admits to- perjury trap! If one stuck a meat thermometer inside Donald’s wonderfully wise gut, we’d see he’s getting close to being well-done. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7911 "2018-11-30T17:38:47Z")
In case, like me, anybody was curious how long its been since Fotheringay-Phipps did his Dershowitz act in here (defending Trump while saying he doesn’t support Trump), he hasn’t popped his head up here in 2.5 months. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7912 "2018-11-30T17:50:57Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > In case, like me, anybody was curious how long its been since Fotheringay-Phipps did his Dershowitz act in here (defending Trump while saying he doesn’t support Trump), he hasn’t popped his head up here in 2.5 months. He probably left and is proclaiming victory. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7913 "2018-11-30T17:53:34Z")
He died from overeating nothingburgers. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7914 "2018-11-30T18:12:44Z")
This looks suspicious… especially after those reports that Trump is rumored to be ditching his handlers and staying in Argentina, hiding out in a media office “until everyone forgets about UNFAIR MUELLER and the fake WITCH HUNT!!!” \*\*Fotheringay-Flips Media Services Avenue Eva Perón 3302 1406 Buenos Aires Argentina\*\* _"We spin it!_ (after you step in it)"\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7915 "2018-11-30T20:35:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I know this approaches tinfoil hattery, but the [Deutche Bank lending Trump a billion dollars](https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6?utm_source=reddit.com) when no one else would touch him, under the leadership of recently retired justice Anthony Kennedy’s son, seems somewhat sketchy. Apparently, Deutsche was raided a second time today. Probably one of the few instances where the saying “there is no such thing as bad publicity” is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7916 "2018-11-30T21:03:07Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > What I don’t understand is why anybody would work for Donny Two-scoops in the first place. He demands total fealty – to the point of compromising any principles you might have – and offers nothing in return. Hell, you’ll be the first he throws under the bus at the first sign of trouble. > > The money…can’t be _that_ good. Apparently it is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7917 "2018-11-30T21:08:41Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Trump is rumored to be ditching his handlers and staying in Argentina Ahem. That’s “Hiking the Appalachian Trail”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7918 "2018-11-30T21:10:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Travelling to Hawaii for the Pearl Harbor Day commemoration service and then spending the whole time in his hotel room waiting for Vlad to call instead. [Sittin’ by the phone…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9S3-Aish8U) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7919 "2018-11-30T21:59:11Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Apparently, Deutsche was raided a second time today. > > Probably one of the few instances where the saying “there is no such thing as bad publicity” is incorrect. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-30/deutsche-bank-raids-hit-upper-echelon-as-vicious-cycle-endures](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-30/deutsche-bank-raids-hit-upper-echelon-as-vicious-cycle-endures) > [@](#): > > A second day of police raids over suspected money laundering at Deutsche Bank AG included searches of the offices of each of the eight members of the management board, according to a person familiar with the matter. I think people are going to go to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7920 "2018-11-30T22:01:24Z")
Do you think Robert Mueller tells his wife anything about what’s going on? I mean, there is zero chance I’d be able to keep it to myself. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7921 "2018-11-30T22:01:27Z")
[DB Managing Board](https://www.db.com/company/en/management-board.htm). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7922 "2018-11-30T22:02:41Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do you think Robert Mueller tells his wife anything about what’s going on? I mean, there is zero chance I’d be able to keep it to myself. Well, he does get to talk about it at work, but yes I’m sure his marriage is now peppered with unexplained sudden sighs, barks of laughter, and peals of giddiness punctuated by a deep sense of mission. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=395) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=397)