# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 399
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7963 "2018-12-02T21:17:31Z")
[Comey is going back before the House Judiciary Committee](https://apnews.com/ae670c2daf5b4a10aa90e2bbcca46eca). > [@](#): > > As part of a deal with legislators, Comey has been told that he is free to speak about the questioning afterward and that a transcript would be released 24 hours after he testifies, his attorney, David Kelley, said. I note that doesn’t match what the chairman said: > [@](#): > > The Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, decried Comey’s use of “baseless litigation” and called it an “attempt to run out the clock on this Congress,” a reference to the few weeks left before Democrats take control. > > A transcript of the interview will be released “as soon as possible after the interview, in the name of our combined desire for transparency,” Goodlatte said. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7964 "2018-12-02T21:44:43Z")
As though the Republicans had a desire for transparency. Just do the shit in public then, you fucking liars. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7965 "2018-12-03T00:06:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > As though the Republicans had a desire for transparency. Just do the shit in public then, you fucking liars. Yeah. “24 hours” for the release of the transcript, says Comey’s attorney, versus “as soon as possible” from Bob Goodlatte. Presumably Goodlatte’s idea on “as soon as possible” is ‘as many days after as we can get away with, so that we can own the news cycle for as long as we can.’ As for what spin the Trump-enablers in the House hope to achieve in the period between Comey speaking and the transcript coming out: I have trouble coming up with plausible guesses. ‘_Comey admitted he worked with Obama and Hillary to destroy Trump_’, maybe, as means of keeping the base fired-up and interested…? Or just general discrediting of Comey, to preemptively de-fang any Comey testimony that might be used to put a Trump in jeopardy? _'Comey admitted he is a long-time pedophile and drowner of puppies_’ or some such…? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7966 "2018-12-03T01:14:49Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yeah. “24 hours” for the release of the transcript, says Comey’s attorney, versus “as soon as possible” from Bob Goodlatte. Presumably Goodlatte’s idea on “as soon as possible” is ‘as many days after as we can get away with, so that we can own the news cycle for as long as we can.’ If I’m Comey, I bring a certified court recorder as my ‘counsel’ and release my own fucking transcript about 5 minutes after I walk out the door. Then the AmericaHatingFuckPubs will have to release theirs or Comey owns the news cycle. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7967 "2018-12-03T03:35:00Z")
What Happens If … > **[Opinion | What Happens If ... (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/opinion/trump-mueller-russia-investigation.html)** > > The possibilities ahead in the Russia investigation suggest we are not reaching the end of a nightmare, but rather entering one. No matter how bad the Mueller findings are… > [@](#): > > … > I expect Trump to admit nothing, even if faced with proof positive of his own misconduct. There is nothing in the record to convince me otherwise. He will call the truth a lie and vice versa. > > I also don’t think that Trump would ever voluntarily leave office as Nixon did, even if he felt impeachment was imminent. I’m not even sure that he would willingly leave if he were impeached and the Senate moved to convict, a scenario that is hard to imagine at this point. > > I don’t think any of this gets better, even as the evidence becomes clearer. I don’t believe that Trump’s supporters would reverse course in the same way that Nixon’s did. I don’t believe that the facts Mueller presents will be considered unassailable. I don’t believe Trump will go down without bringing the country down with him. > > In short, I don’t believe we are reaching the end of a nightmare, but rather we are entering one. This will not get easier, but harder. > > The country is about to enter the crucible. This test of our republic is without a true comparison. And we do not have a clear picture of how the test will resolve. But, I believe damage is certain. And, no, **asahi** didn’t write this. It’s Charles Blow of the New York Times. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7968 "2018-12-03T04:15:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What Happens If … > [https://nyti.ms/2E1eoUz](https://nyti.ms/2E1eoUz) > > No matter how bad the Mueller findings are… > > And, no, **asahi** didn’t write this. It’s Charles Blow of the New York Times. Well, the nice thing about this is that it doesn’t really matter if Trump admits any of it. Nixon was still saying he did nothing illegal years later. The horrible thing about it is that it _does_ matter if the Republicans in the senate take it seriously. Since they’re generally as ruthless as the day is long, I don’t necessarily have high hopes, but Charlie’s not really addressing what’s important about the situation. His declaration that this is a test of our republic without comparison kind of makes me wonder about his history education. Unless he’s just stating that this is a LOT milder than 1861-1865, it just makes him look silly. He’s also carping and whining about something that none of us have seen yet, so I’m inclined to take this editorial about as seriously as the average **ashai** post. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7969 "2018-12-03T04:27:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And, no, **asahi** didn’t write this. It’s Charles Blow of the New York Times. This was my general thinking when I asked above if the conspiracy is too big to fail. Nomatter how blatant the conspiracy, if the Republicans stick together then can ride it out. Even to the point of just refusing to leave office. What can you do when more than a third of the country want it that way? They can either admit they are wrong or burn the whole country down instead. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7970 "2018-12-03T04:46:34Z")
Don’t worry, there’s no massive cataclysmic conspiracy by Republicans that would burn the country down, but we’ll just have to let them get away with it. This kind of doomsday thinking exists only in hyper-partisan minds. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7971 "2018-12-03T04:50:22Z")
“What if Hillary was running a pedophile sex ring out of a pizza shop? Would Democrats circle the wagons because admitting to it would simply be too destructive to our political scene, and our body politic at large?” …Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7972 "2018-12-03T05:55:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yeah. “24 hours” for the release of the transcript, says Comey’s attorney, versus “as soon as possible” from Bob Goodlatte. Presumably Goodlatte’s idea on “as soon as possible” is ‘as many days after as we can get away with, so that we can own the news cycle for as long as we can.’ > > As for what spin the Trump-enablers in the House hope to achieve in the period between Comey speaking and the transcript coming out: I have trouble coming up with plausible guesses. ‘_Comey admitted he worked with Obama and Hillary to destroy Trump_’, maybe, as means of keeping the base fired-up and interested…? > > Or just general discrediting of Comey, to preemptively de-fang any Comey testimony that might be used to put a Trump in jeopardy? _'Comey admitted he is a long-time pedophile and drowner of puppies_’ or some such…? One thing I remember from my first ever customer service job was this: Always specify a time or time frame. If you just give a vague future, like “I’ll send it tomorrow,” it’s easier to forget or miss the event. If you give a time or time frame, like “I’ll fax it before I leave at 5,” it rings in both parties’ heads as a concrete deadline, making it more likely to be completed. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7973 "2018-12-03T14:01:20Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Don’t worry, there’s no massive cataclysmic conspiracy by Republicans that would burn the country down, but we’ll just have to let them get away with it. This kind of doomsday thinking exists only in hyper-partisan minds. I distinctly remember the leader of the Republican party recommending second amendment solutions to legislative problems. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7974 "2018-12-03T14:12:27Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I distinctly remember the leader of the Republican party recommending second amendment solutions to legislative problems. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7975 "2018-12-03T14:17:03Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Cite? It was actually a suggestion that the only way to stop President Hillary Clinton from appointing bad judges was “[you 2nd amendment folks](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-2nd-amendment-folks-stop-clintons-supreme-court/story?id=41239648)”. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7976 "2018-12-03T14:26:12Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > It was actually a suggestion that the only way to stop President Hillary Clinton from appointing bad judges was “[you 2nd amendment folks](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-2nd-amendment-folks-stop-clintons-supreme-court/story?id=41239648)”. I was using the word “legislative” to generally mean “issues that have been traditionally handled within government without shooting”. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7977 "2018-12-03T14:48:27Z")
> **[Ronna McDaniel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronna_McDaniel#RNC_chair_(2016%E2%80%93present))** > > Ronna McDaniel (née Romney; born March 20, 1973) is an American politician and political strategist serving as chairwoman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) since 2017. A member of the Republican Party and the Romney family, she was chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party from 2015 to 2017. Since McDaniel's election as chairwoman of the RNC, the Republican Party has had a net loss of seven governorships, three seats in the United States Senate, 19 seats in the House of Representati... ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7978 "2018-12-03T17:27:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Ronna McDaniel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronna_McDaniel#RNC_chair_(2016%E2%80%93present)) Not sure what your point is here. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7979 "2018-12-03T18:24:28Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Not sure what your point is here. I believe it’s a quibble about what “leader of the Republican Party” means. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7980 "2018-12-03T19:31:24Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I believe it’s a quibble about what “leader of the Republican Party” means. Really? That’s controversial? Well, then instead of the irrelevant wiki link about the head of the RNC, he probably should have meandered over to their page on “[Party Leader](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_leader#United_States)”, where it states the sentence: “The President, currently Donald Trump, becomes the de facto leader of the party they represent once elected, and the Vice President, currently Mike Pence, likewise holds a leadership role as both the second-highest executive officer as well as being the President of the Senate.” Likely, because, the president is obviously the leader of his party. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7981 "2018-12-03T20:12:43Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Likely, because, the president is obviously the leader of his party. We are not that far away from the time when the GOP will be: “Trump? Who? Oh that guy. He was really not all that important, and certainly we REAL Republicans did not pay him much heed. He certainly did not lead the party. He mainly tweeted and went out for cofeve and muffins and stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/7982 "2018-12-03T20:14:49Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Really? That’s controversial? Well, then instead of the irrelevant wiki link about the head of the RNC Well, that’s the only way I can see that link making any sense as a response to the quote, but I really should just let **Sage Rat** elucidate, as I’m only speculating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=398) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=400)