# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 405
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8083 "2018-12-07T18:03:34Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Well,[according to our new UN ambassador](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/07/heather-nauert-cited-d-day-height-us-german-relations-now-shes-headed-un/?utm_term=.5dde372d8ce0), D-Day is an example of the height of the good relationship between the US and Germany, so I’m sure Pearl Harbor was an example of Japan showing us how much they like us. On a related note, I’d just like to thank the Japanese government for its cooperation in allowing us to field-test two early nuclear weapons there a few years later. > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Is he related to Bob Barr, the GA Senator [who was anti-abortion and then urged his second wife to get one?](https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/13/julianborger) No, not that I’ve been able to determine. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8084 "2018-12-07T18:17:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Kelly and Mueller sitting in a tree. T-A-L-K-I-N-G.](https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1071088217447911426) I hope Kelly burns Trump really, really badly. I hope Kelly has tapes and shares them with Mueller; tapes that fully, completely and without questions implicate Trump in obstruction. It’s my only Christmas wish. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8085 "2018-12-07T18:22:42Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > If I where to take a job, Trump would get trolled. It would be easy as Campbells soup. > > “Obama changed the alphabet. You didn’t know that?” On that note, is there an app that can convert the keyboard on your cellphone to Dvorak? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8086 "2018-12-07T18:27:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > On that note, is there an app that can convert the keyboard on your cellphone to Dvorak? [Yes, depending on your phone.](https://www.howtogeek.com/263849/how-to-switch-to-dvorak-and-other-keyboard-layouts-on-your-computer-or-phone/) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8087 "2018-12-07T18:31:57Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > On that note, is there an app that can convert the keyboard on your cellphone to Dvorak? > [@Kimstu](#): > > [Yes, depending on your phone.](https://www.howtogeek.com/263849/how-to-switch-to-dvorak-and-other-keyboard-layouts-on-your-computer-or-phone/) Next question: is there an app that can trojan THAT app onto the America-hating Fuckstick’s cellphone when he retweets something? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8088 "2018-12-07T18:53:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Next question: is there an app that can trojan THAT app onto the America-hating Fuckstick’s cellphone when he retweets something? Would it really make those tweets any more functionally incoherent than they already are? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8089 "2018-12-07T19:06:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Would it really make those tweets any more functionally incoherent than they already are? Yeah, but if he got less coherent wouldn’t people start thinking he had a stroke or something? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8090 "2018-12-07T19:09:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Would it really make those tweets any more functionally incoherent than they already are? Probably not, but if he had to hunt and peck, it might affect the number he could put out every day. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8091 "2018-12-07T19:46:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Oh, thank you for that! 😃 Beautiful laugh out loud moment! [quote=“Fiveyearlurker, post:8069, topic:800093”] Appropriate > [@](#): > > ([https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1071027041330442240](https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1071027041330442240)) this morning provided to a White House reporter from an administration official: > > - > > “How fearful are Administration officials of Mueller? “If the president had a dog the dog would lawyer up,” I was told.”\* I’ll just point out that a _good_ dog wouldn’t need to get a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8092 "2018-12-07T20:07:17Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’ll just point out that a _good_ dog wouldn’t need to get a lawyer. A good dog would not allow itself to be owned by Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8093 "2018-12-07T20:41:08Z")
The judge in the Maria Butina case has taken it upon himself to add a public defender to Butina’s legal team. I have seen speculation, but no proof, that the judge did so because he doesn’t think the lawyers already on the case are really looking out for Butina’s interests. > **[Maria Butina: Judge appoints another lawyer to advise Russian national in...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/06/maria-butina-judge-appoints-another-lawyer-advise-russian-national/2225666002/)** > > A federal judge appointed another lawyer to advise Maria Butina, as the Russian national defends herself in a case alleging she ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8094 "2018-12-07T21:15:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The judge in the Maria Butina case has taken it upon himself to add a public defender to Butina’s legal team. I have seen speculation, but no proof, that the judge did so because he doesn’t think the lawyers already on the case are really looking out for Butina’s interests. > [Maria Butina: Judge appoints another lawyer to advise Russian national](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/06/maria-butina-judge-appoints-another-lawyer-advise-russian-national/2225666002/) Sounds like a reasonable theory, but I’ll note that the judge’s name is “Tanya Chutkan” so I’m less convinced on your choice of pronoun. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8095 "2018-12-07T21:34:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Sounds like a reasonable theory, but I’ll note that the judge’s name is “Tanya Chutkan” so I’m less convinced on your choice of pronoun. I don’t judge. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8096 "2018-12-07T22:04:41Z")
Heck, the judge might prefer that pronoun. It’s a mixed-up, muddled-up, shook-up world - except for Lola. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8097 "2018-12-07T22:20:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Next question: is there an app that can trojan THAT app onto the America-hating Fuckstick’s cellphone when he retweets something? You think he is doing any form of touch-typing? He stares at the phone "where’s ‘i’? Okay, there it is. Where is ‘space’? right, the big one on the bottom . . . I imagine his tweets take minutes to type out. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8098 "2018-12-07T22:49:39Z")
Mueller and SDNY both released their Cohen memos. I’ve only seen snippets on Twitter so far. My initial reaction is, “God _damn_!” Mueller drops a few Russian collusion bombs, and SDNY joins in with campaign finance bombs. And we’re still waiting for the Manafort filing. Holy shit!! ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8099 "2018-12-07T22:54:01Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s his sort of dick move that he would try to upstage that other event that occurred on the day that will live in infamy. _All_ of Trump’s moves are dick moves. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8100 "2018-12-07T23:06:02Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Mueller and SDNY both released their Cohen memos. I’ve only seen snippets on Twitter so far. My initial reaction is, “God _damn_!” Mueller drops a few Russian collusion bombs, and SDNY joins in with campaign finance bombs. > > And we’re still waiting for the Manafort filing. > > Holy shit!! As I read this, I couldn’t help but wonder… > [@](#): > > Campaign finance crimes, because they are committed in secret and hidden from the victims, are > difficult to identify and prosecute. Nonetheless, they have tremendous social cost, described > above, as they erode faith in elections and perpetuate political corruption. Effective deterrence of > such offenses requires incarceratory sentences that signal to other individuals who may > contemplate conduct similar to Cohen’s that violations of campaign finance laws will not be > tolerated. Particularly in light of the public interest in this case, the Court’s sentence may indeed > have a cognizable impact on that problem by deterring future candidates, and their “fixers,” all of > whom are sure to be aware of the Court’s sentence here, from violating campaign finance laws. > Additionally, a significant sentence of imprisonment would also generally deter tax > evasion and other financial crimes by sending the important message that even powerful > individuals cannot cheat on their taxes and lie to financial institutions with impunity, because they > will be subject to serious federal penalties. …at whom in particular they might be aiming with these remarks! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8101 "2018-12-07T23:06:53Z")
It’s Mueller time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8102 "2018-12-07T23:45:56Z")
From Mueller’s filing in the Cohen case; “Cohen provided the SCO with useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact with Company executives during them.” Teaser! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=404) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=406)