# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 406
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8103 "2018-12-07T23:59:49Z")
Has anyone seen how Fox “News” is spinning it? I just… can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8104 "2018-12-08T00:07:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Has anyone seen how Fox “News” is spinning it? I just… can’t. Hannity tweet, with a link to a site I’ve never heard of, after the memos hit the fan: “Federal Judge Opens Discovery into Clinton Private Email System” [https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19](https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19) ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8105 "2018-12-08T00:09:47Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Has anyone seen how Fox “News” is spinning it? I just… can’t. I googled “Fox News Flynn” and saw “Mueller Strikes Out On Nailing Trump! Flynn Sentencing a Big Nothing.” Less ignorant on Cohen… “Cohen told Mueller about Russian outreach!” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8106 "2018-12-08T00:17:43Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Hannity tweet, with a link to a site I’ve never heard of, after the memos hit the fan: > > “Federal Judge Opens Discovery into Clinton Private Email System” > > [https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19](https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19) > [@digs](#): > > I googled “Fox News Flynn” and saw > > “Mueller Strikes Out On Nailing Trump! Flynn Sentencing a Big Nothing.” > > Less ignorant on Cohen… > > “Cohen told Mueller about Russian outreach!” Thanks to you both. Utterly false and shameful, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8107 "2018-12-08T00:19:14Z")
Quote of the day, maybe posted here, dunno. “If Trump had a dog, he’d lawyer up.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8108 "2018-12-08T00:35:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Quote of the day, maybe posted here, dunno. > > “If Trump had a dog, he’d lawyer up.” Great line. 😃 You know, I remember election night so well. It was like finding out you’d just married a serial killer by mistake. I felt so sick. But something stood out to me as I watched the Trump crew mill around on stage as the election was called for them. Melania’s outfit looked like something you’d wear to be comfortable on the flight home to New York. The venue was practically anti-Trump: No tasteless gold or red, not enough cheap-looking glitz. Trump looked like a pole-axed cow. He clearly wasn’t expecting to win. In that moment, I had a notion that he was –\> \<– this close to saying, “Just kidding!! This was fun, but I’m stepping aside in favor of my new bestie, Mike Pence!!” I honestly would not have been surprised if that happened. Bet he wishes he had, now. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8109 "2018-12-08T00:35:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Quote of the day, maybe posted here, dunno. > > “If Trump had a dog, he’d lawyer up.” Followed on Twitter by: “A good dog would not need a lawyer.” “No self-respecting dog would allow themselves to be owned by Trump.” ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8110 "2018-12-08T00:39:38Z")
As I pointed out in the IMHO Tweet thread, the Atlantic pointed out that a new player entered the world of Trump tweets. Just by chance, I’m sure, it happened to be the DOJ lawyer who signed the Manafort submission today. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8111 "2018-12-08T00:40:52Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Hannity tweet, with a link to a site I’ve never heard of, after the memos hit the fan: > > “Federal Judge Opens Discovery into Clinton Private Email System” > > [https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19](https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1071173775780134913?s=19) Un-fucking-believable. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8112 "2018-12-08T00:43:50Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As I pointed out in the IMHO Tweet thread, the Atlantic pointed out that a new player entered the world of Trump tweets. Just by chance, I’m sure, it happened to be the DOJ lawyer who signed the Manafort submission today. I read that, and I thought to myself, “That **jasg** is a clever dick.” And before you get all het up about the characterization, my late Kiwi/Aussie husband explained to me that this is a high compliment in Down Under Speak. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8113 "2018-12-08T00:44:35Z")
Text of the Manafort filing available to read [here](https://www.axios.com/paul-manafort-mueller-investigation-sentencing-memo-c186b41c-bad7-44b4-88e4-9b8a87e6fd20.html). ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8114 "2018-12-08T00:49:29Z")
Judging by the SDNY filing, my reading is basically that they believe Cohen to have been part of a number of crimes that either they don’t know about or that he thinks they don’t know about, and so he sought a guilty plea rather than a cooperation agreement, so that he could get leniency on the crimes they were charging, while having no obligation to tell them about the crimes they weren’t charging. As such, they are unimpressed and recommend slapping him around a fair amount regardless of the help he has provided. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8115 "2018-12-08T01:27:10Z")
The President is now officially an unindicted co-conspirator in a crime which brought 5-7 years on his 26-year confidant and attorney. I think that, according to the current rule set, he has maxed out his ability to level up to actual Indicted Co-conspirator for now. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8116 "2018-12-08T01:28:15Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Has anyone seen how Fox “News” is spinning it? I just… can’t. Not Fox News, but Tucker Carlson is turning on Trump: "Fox News attack dog turns on Trump: ‘I don’t think he’s capable’ " > **[Fox News attack dog Tucker Carlson turns on Trump: 'I don't think he's capable'](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/dec/07/tucker-carlson-fox-news-trump-interview-turns)** > > The Fox News commentator delivered a verdict on the Trump administration’s first two years in an interview with Die Weltwoche – and he’s not pleased ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8117 "2018-12-08T01:39:51Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Not Fox News, but Tucker Carlson is turning on Trump: > > "Fox News attack dog turns on Trump: ‘I don’t think he’s capable’ " > > [Fox News attack dog Tucker Carlson turns on Trump: 'I don't think he's capable' | Fox News | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/dec/07/tucker-carlson-fox-news-trump-interview-turns) And yet somehow, Tucker-Tucker-Vile Goat Fucker can’t bring himself to say these truths to his own audience. Only to the Swiss. He and Hannity are the most despicable and cynical of ideologues. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8118 "2018-12-08T01:54:46Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The President is now officially an unindicted co-conspirator in a crime which brought 5-7 years on his 26-year confidant and attorney. I think that, according to the current rule set, he has maxed out his ability to level up to actual Indicted Co-conspirator for now. Don’t forget that Cohen pleaded to several other crimes. The tax and bank fraud carry bigger penalties than the campaign financing violations he shares with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8119 "2018-12-08T02:06:44Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Not Fox News, but Tucker Carlson is turning on Trump: > > "Fox News attack dog turns on Trump: ‘I don’t think he’s capable’ " > > [Fox News attack dog Tucker Carlson turns on Trump: 'I don't think he's capable' | Fox News | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/dec/07/tucker-carlson-fox-news-trump-interview-turns) I imagine he turned on Trump for the same reason Coulter did: the white supremacist agenda is not proceeding apace. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8120 "2018-12-08T03:06:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s Mueller time. 🙂 Posted again: [https://www.northernsun.com/It's-Mueller-Time-TShirt-(8579).html](https://www.northernsun.com/It%27s-Mueller-Time-TShirt-%288579%29.html) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8121 "2018-12-08T03:20:08Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Posted again: [https://www.northernsun.com/It's-Mueller-Time-TShirt-(8579).html](https://www.northernsun.com/It%27s-Mueller-Time-TShirt-%288579%29.html) Thank you, yes. 🙂 I bought one about a year ago – time to get it dirty! LOL, I see Jill Wine Bank’s pin tonight is a domino. I don’t even need to look it up to understand its meaning! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8122 "2018-12-08T05:55:48Z")
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