# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 416
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8303 "2018-12-13T23:12:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Just hazarding a guess, because we’re obviously in uncharted territory, but… > > He’d probably end up in some sort of Administrative Segregation unit, with Secret Service agents posted around his cell/facility for window dressing. > > I wonder how many of those unlucky persons thought they were signing up for _that_ when they endured the rigors to join the Secret Service. What a waste of resources. I’d like to see a change in the law that keeps SS protection for presidents that leave through normal methods (either served 2 terms or were voted out) and perhaps even for those who resign, but not for any that are impeached and convicted. I’m pretty sure that armed forces members who are dishonorably discharged don’t get veterans’ benefits. I think this is an analogous situation. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8304 "2018-12-13T23:13:55Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Jeebus. We all know that Trump himself is an ignorant, crooked dumbass, but is there not one honest person in his administration? I’ve seen people posit— jokingly, I think— that Trump is ingeniously preventing Mueller from concluding his investigation by continuing to commit obstruction and implicate himself in crimes himself via Twitter on a near-daily basis. This could be a corollary to that 12-D chess theory: everyone in Trump’s orbit packed so much corruption into such a short period of time that merely attempting to _make an account of it all_ creates the impression that they’re being unfairly persecuted from all directions by rogue investigators, prosecutors and the media. Sort of a Gish Gallop of graft and criminality. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8305 "2018-12-13T23:25:51Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > … I doubt Trump ends up in jail, despite how much I would enjoy seeing that. But let’s say he does end up in prison. It is my understanding that former presidents get SS protection forever (at least that’s what the movies tell me). If this is true, would they have to protect him in prison? Would he be in solitary? I’m wondering how it would work. He should be incarcerated in one of the cages used for immigrant kids. And audio recordings of their crying should be played 24/7. But it won’t happen. A deal will be made in exchange for his resignation; he won’t serve time. Of course the deal should include restitution for all he’s grifted, including whatever the Trumps have sold off of White House antiques and various national treasures. But all that money will probably have gone down one rabbit hole or another. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8306 "2018-12-13T23:55:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … > And audio recordings of their crying should be played 24/7. > … That would be like a sweet lullabye to him. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8307 "2018-12-13T23:59:13Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I thought that was the most hilarious thing I heard yesterday. I relish the idea that Mr. Hannity will suffer Mueller’s wrath almost as much as watching the Trumpino Family go down in flames. Alas, its probably not going to the Mueller handling this. I’m thinking some real Estate tax scam that will probably be handled by the state of New York. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’ve seen people posit— jokingly, I think— that Trump is ingeniously preventing Mueller from concluding his investigation by continuing to commit obstruction and implicate himself in crimes himself via Twitter on a near-daily basis. This could be a corollary to that 12-D chess theory: everyone in Trump’s orbit packed so much corruption into such a short period of time that merely attempting to _make an account of it all_ creates the impression that they’re being unfairly persecuted from all directions by rogue investigators, prosecutors and the media. Sort of a Gish Gallop of graft and criminality. I don’t think that is a very sound strategy. At some point the prosecutors look down and say, “Well, we’ve got enough here to put him away for 220 years, I say we leave the rest on the table.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8308 "2018-12-14T00:18:42Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I don’t think that is a very sound strategy. At some point the prosecutors look down and say, “Well, we’ve got enough here to put him away for 220 years, I say we leave the rest on the table.” On the other hand, it probably has forced the government to spend an excessive amount of money on investigating him. Fundamentally, just because something looks suspicious doesn’t mean that it will prove out to be a crime - maybe it was innocent, maybe there simply won’t be sufficient information. You have to keep following stuff along all or many of the possible pathways until something catches. I suspect that part of the reason that we’re seeing so many referrals from Mueller is simply because there was too many possible branches. He had to pick a few that seemed most likely to link through to what he was charged with. Though, I do suspect, that he’s receiving updates on things like the Butina case or (before) on the Cohen case, in case something comes up that links back to his mandate. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8309 "2018-12-14T00:29:15Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Alas, its probably not going to the Mueller handling this. I’m thinking some real Estate tax scam that will probably be handled by the state of New York. > \ You’re right, of course. 🙂 I tend to view Mueller as the master hand moving behind all the various threads. I have this vision of him as the conductor of a massive law enforcement orchestra, coaxing the very best out of his musicians: “Hey, SDNY! More cow bell!!” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8310 "2018-12-14T00:56:58Z")
Cohen might be going to the [prison in Otisville.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/us/michael-cohen-prison-otisville/index.html) Otisville? _Otisville?!_ _Otisville?!_ What kind of security do they have at Miss Tessmacher’s place? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8311 "2018-12-14T01:09:50Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > That would be like a sweet lullabye to him. Naw, it’d make him masturbate like a motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8312 "2018-12-14T01:18:18Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’ve seen people posit— jokingly, I think— that Trump is ingeniously preventing Mueller from concluding his investigation by continuing to commit obstruction and implicate himself in crimes himself via Twitter on a near-daily basis. This could be a corollary to that 12-D chess theory: everyone in Trump’s orbit packed so much corruption into such a short period of time that merely attempting to _make an account of it all_ creates the impression that they’re being unfairly persecuted from all directions by rogue investigators, prosecutors and the media. Sort of a Gish Gallop of graft and criminality. “_The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it._” - said someone totes not Goodwiny. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8313 "2018-12-14T01:49:39Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You’re right, of course. 🙂 I tend to view Mueller as the master hand moving behind all the various threads. > > I have this vision of him as the conductor of a massive law enforcement orchestra, coaxing the very best out of his musicians: > > “Hey, SDNY! More cow bell!!” Like Professor Moriarty, but on the side of good. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8314 "2018-12-14T02:38:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Like Professor Moriarty, but on the side of good. Something like that. 🙂 Only with a lot more gravitas. And facts. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8315 "2018-12-14T05:46:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Cohen might be going to the [prison in Otisville.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/us/michael-cohen-prison-otisville/index.html) > Otisville?.. > > 😃 [Here’s a shot](https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2012/08/elevator-stuck.jpg.653x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg) of the front door to Otisville. The entire city is down on Level P4. No escaping from there without \*Inserting The Firefighter’s Key and Turning a Half Turn Clockwise. \* ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8316 "2018-12-14T12:40:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Cohen might be going to the [prison in Otisville.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/us/michael-cohen-prison-otisville/index.html) > Otisville? > > _Otisville?!_ It’s a little bitty place. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8317 "2018-12-14T13:29:34Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Cohen might be going to the [prison in Otisville.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/us/michael-cohen-prison-otisville/index.html) > Otisville? > > _Otisville?!_ > > _Otisville?!_ > > What kind of security do they have at Miss Tessmacher’s place? > > 😃 Sidebar, please, counsel. What’s the beef with Otisville? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8318 "2018-12-14T13:36:09Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sidebar, please, counsel. > > What’s the beef with Otisville? 😕 Oops. Otis\*[burgh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWiwYApseDk)\*. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8319 "2018-12-14T13:44:38Z")
> [@digs](#): > > [Here’s a shot](https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2012/08/elevator-stuck.jpg.653x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg) of the front door to Otisville. > > The entire city is down on Level P4. No escaping from there without \*Inserting The Firefighter’s Key and Turning a Half Turn Clockwise. > \* while the theme to the Andy Griffith show is whistled in the background. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8320 "2018-12-14T13:59:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This is prolly gonna upset Trump: [Pelosi says House Dems will start seeking Trump tax returns](https://www.apnews.com/d0132472fcd640b9aa8d1645aa67de87). 😛 Oooh! The unkindest cut of all. Now folks will find out he’s only a 400-millionaire instead of a billionaire, and that’s not factoring in the debt service. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8321 "2018-12-14T14:03:36Z")
It’s not the numbers on the receipts that matter, it’s the names. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8322 "2018-12-14T14:08:37Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It’s not the numbers on the receipts that matter, it’s the names. And is it in Rubles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=415) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=417)