# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 424
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8463 "2018-12-19T04:41:18Z")
Lawfare has a new [article](https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-mystery-judgment-re-grand-jury-subpoena) on the mystery case. It says that one of the Mueller attorneys who might be involved is Zainab Ahmad. She is an Arabic speaker and a counterterrorism and international extradition expert. If she is involved, it might be a Middle Eastern company. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8464 "2018-12-19T04:55:27Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Lawfare has a new [article](https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-mystery-judgment-re-grand-jury-subpoena) on the mystery case. It says that one of the Mueller attorneys who might be involved is Zainab Ahmad. She is an Arabic speaker and a counterterrorism and international extradition expert. > > If she is involved, it might be a Middle Eastern company. [According to her Wiki page,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zainab_Ahmad) > [@](#): > > Ahmad was one of the team members responsible for handling the case against Michael Flynn, and appeared in court on behalf of the Special Counsel for Flynn’s plea bargain. {citation numbers removed from quote} So, ummm. Nope, not a clue. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8465 "2018-12-19T05:20:45Z")
That floating turd of a bank on the isle of Cyprus? Keeps popping up in the news like a turtle in a fever swamp, then vanishes. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8466 "2018-12-19T05:23:23Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Lawfare has a new [article](https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-mystery-judgment-re-grand-jury-subpoena) on the mystery case. It says that one of the Mueller attorneys who might be involved is Zainab Ahmad. She is an Arabic speaker and a counterterrorism and international extradition expert. > > If she is involved, it might be a Middle Eastern company. Good catch. [https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8467 "2018-12-19T05:35:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Good catch. > > [https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html) Looks like my guess that it would be Eric Prince that will be hauled in, in January, to start the process of building an anti-Saudi case against Trump will probably prove incorrect: > **[Trump Friend: A Good Sign for Saudi Oil? - Ellen R. Wald, Ph.D.](http://www.ellenrwald.com/saudi-arabia/trump-friend/)** > > Donald Trump friend, Tom Barrack, may open a door to a new chapter in U.S.-Saudi relations. Barrack has longstanding personal and business ties. Or, at least, Prince might not be the prime candidate. Looking at only news articles from 2016, it looks like Trump was highly antagonistic towards Saudi Arabia towards the start of the year. Starting around November, though, suddenly he was having friendly phone calls with them and urging them to perform a US IPO. Maybe they gave him a percentage of ownership in the company? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8468 "2018-12-19T05:37:58Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Good catch. > > [https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-saudi-aramco-nyse-htmlstory.html) Perhaps but there is also [this](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/qataris-opted-not-give-info-kushner-secret-meetings-mueller-n855326) from NBC involving Qatar, Nader, Broidy and Kushner. > [@](#): > > Qatari officials gathered evidence of what they claim is illicit influence by the United Arab Emirates on Jared Kushner and other Trump associates, including details of secret meetings, but decided not to give the information to special counsel Robert Mueller for fear of harming relations with the Trump administration, say three sources familiar with the Qatari discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8469 "2018-12-19T06:00:29Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Perhaps but there is also [this](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/qataris-opted-not-give-info-kushner-secret-meetings-mueller-n855326) from NBC involving Qatar, Nader, Broidy and Kushner. Looks like Omarosa knew something, and I think we can assume that Flynn told what he knew as well. I think this article is probably going to prove fairly prescient: > **[Omarosa Makes a Good Point (Really!) About How Trump-Saudi Corruption May...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/omarosa-saudi-arabia-trump-corruption-suggestion-legitimate.html)** > > As the former Apprentice star alludes to on Twitter, there appear to be a number of streams of money flowing out of the Gulf to people close to Trump. From it, I think we can also assume that Pecker is talking about the Saudis as well. Elliott Broidy is, along with Barrack, a top contender for indictment early next year. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8470 "2018-12-19T10:11:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Really, guys, isn’t this just a diversion from that time Hillary emailed all of our Uranium to [Vlad69@putin.ru](mailto:Vlad69@putin.ru) in exchange for a $50 donation to the Clinton Foundation? > > Wake up sheeple! Thank you, **JohnT** , for putting this thread into perspective. People in the thread are making a big deal out of Trump’s embezzling $7 — a “crime” barely as serious as a parking ticket. Yet Hillary walks around free as a bird despite personally organizing the Mass Murder in Benghazi. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8471 "2018-12-19T11:16:24Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Thank you, **JohnT** , for putting this thread into perspective. People in the thread are making a big deal out of Trump’s embezzling $7 — a “crime” barely as serious as a parking ticket. Yet Hillary walks around free as a bird despite personally organizing the Mass Murder in Benghazi. You guys are all in the lame-stream liberal bubble. Checking the [home page of the Nation’s Fare and Balanst News](https://www.foxnews.com/) just now I see the following references to Flynn: [ul] [li] Flynn is innocent – his guilty plea should be thrown out[/li][li] Judge’s ‘treason’ insinuation in Flynn case ‘pretty reckless’[/li][li] How Flynn could still avoid prison[/li][li] Alan Dershowitz: Michael Flynn now has three options to stay out of prison[/li][li] FBI agents were helping Flynn fill in blanks on Russia conversations[/li][li] Howard Kurtz: Flynn ‘entrapment’ argument touted by Right backfires[/li][/ul] The following references to the real criminals: [ul] [li] TERMINAL CLINTON FATIGUE Opinion LAUREN APPELL: Bill and Hillary’s bid to rewrite history hits wall in 2019[/li][li] Comey grilled about Obama’s knowledge of Hillary server[/li][li] Marc Thiessen: The Mueller probe could turn out to be a disaster – for the Democrats[/li][/ul] And the following mentions of Dear Leader: [ul] [li] President Trump is resisting globalism and winning[/li][li] Liberal advocacy group suing Trump admin for ‘metering’ asylum seekers[/li][li] Trump administration moves to ban sale of bump stocks, make possession illegal by March[/li][li] Will Trump forgo border wall to avoid government shutdown?[/li][li] Man sentenced for threatening to ‘put a bullet’ in Trump’s head[/li][li] President Trump deserves all the credit for our soaring labor market[/li][li] Joy Behar’s joyless 2018: ‘The View’ star’s most over-the-top anti-Trumpiness of the year[/li][li] Arizona man gets prison term for threats against President Trump[/li][li] Trump joins Wreaths Across America in laying wreaths at Arlington National Cemetery[/li][/ul] America’s champion is laying wreaths for our fallen soldiers while the evil-doers are still pre-occupied with covering up the e-mail treason. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8472 "2018-12-19T11:55:23Z")
An excellent video recap of all the lying liars in the Trump Crime Family lying about Russia: > ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8473 "2018-12-19T12:48:33Z")
If Flynn hadn’t been such an outrageous dickhead to Obama and Clinton I’d almost have sympathy for someone who has otherwise lived a patriotic life. But now that I remember it, I believe he was the former general who had the nads to get up on national television, with tens of millions of people watching, and advocate the imprisonment of a political opponent. That’s not patriotic; that’s the behavior of someone auditioning for a role in a military junta. Fuck that guy. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8474 "2018-12-19T13:27:28Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [A list of Russian state-owned enterprises.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_Russia) I was wondering if it might be Alfa Bank - remember the weird internet traffic between them and Trump Tower? But they’re not on the list. > Of course, it might not be Russia - could be Saudi, Turkish, etc. But I’d guess a Russian bank, myself. > [@jasg](#): > > Lawfare has a new [article](https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-mystery-judgment-re-grand-jury-subpoena) on the mystery case. It says that one of the Mueller attorneys who might be involved is Zainab Ahmad. She is an Arabic speaker and a counterterrorism and international extradition expert. > > If she is involved, it might be a Middle Eastern company. So many to choose from; can we catch 'em all? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8475 "2018-12-19T13:45:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You guys are all in the lame-stream liberal bubble. Checking the [home page of the Nation’s Fare and Balanst News](https://www.foxnews.com/) just now I see the following references to Flynn: > [ul] > [li] Flynn is innocent – his guilty plea should be thrown out[/li][li] Judge’s ‘treason’ insinuation in Flynn case ‘pretty reckless’[/li][li] How Flynn could still avoid prison[/li][li] Alan Dershowitz: Michael Flynn now has three options to stay out of prison[/li][li] FBI agents were helping Flynn fill in blanks on Russia conversations[/li][li] Howard Kurtz: Flynn ‘entrapment’ argument touted by Right backfires[/li][/ul] > The following references to the real criminals: > [ul] > [li] TERMINAL CLINTON FATIGUE Opinion LAUREN APPELL: Bill and Hillary’s bid to rewrite history hits wall in 2019[/li][li] Comey grilled about Obama’s knowledge of Hillary server[/li][li] Marc Thiessen: The Mueller probe could turn out to be a disaster – for the Democrats[/li][/ul] > And the following mentions of Dear Leader: > [ul] > [li] President Trump is resisting globalism and winning[/li][li] Liberal advocacy group suing Trump admin for ‘metering’ asylum seekers[/li][li] Trump administration moves to ban sale of bump stocks, make possession illegal by March[/li][li] Will Trump forgo border wall to avoid government shutdown?[/li][li] Man sentenced for threatening to ‘put a bullet’ in Trump’s head[/li][li] President Trump deserves all the credit for our soaring labor market[/li][li] Joy Behar’s joyless 2018: ‘The View’ star’s most over-the-top anti-Trumpiness of the year[/li][li] Arizona man gets prison term for threats against President Trump[/li][li] Trump joins Wreaths Across America in laying wreaths at Arlington National Cemetery[/li][/ul] > > America’s champion is laying wreaths for our fallen soldiers while the evil-doers are still pre-occupied with covering up the e-mail treason. This should be cross-posted to the [Is Fox News really all that bad](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667548) thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8476 "2018-12-19T14:11:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > America’s champion is laying wreaths for our fallen soldiers Only if it isn’t raining! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8477 "2018-12-19T14:36:18Z")
Remember that “we have no deals in Russia” claim. Yeah, here’s the letter of intent for Trump Moscow. [Signed by Trump in late 2015](https://www.axios.com/trump-tower-moscow-signed-letter-of-intent-d419e4c0-bec4-4392-bd68-bad89bdee559.html). ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8478 "2018-12-19T14:41:24Z")
Apparently the talking heads at Faux News were totally convinced that Judge Emmett Sullivan was going to smack down the prosecution, vacate the guilty plea and set Flynn free yesterday. Instead of what really happened. Morning Joe put together a video montage of Tucker, Hannity and Jeanine making those predictions. It’s hysterical. > **[Morning Joe Mocks Fox News For Predictions About Flynn Judge](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-mocks-fox-news-for-predictions-about-flynn-judge-with-brutal-montage-that-was-rough/)** > > Morning Joe mocked the Fox News hosts who put their faith in the district court judge presiding over Michael Flynn's sentencing hearing this week with a montage of their remarks predicting he would side with the former Trump official. Supporters of... ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8479 "2018-12-19T14:51:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Remember that “we have no deals in Russia” claim. Yeah, here’s the letter of intent for Trump Moscow. [Signed by Trump in late 2015](https://www.axios.com/trump-tower-moscow-signed-letter-of-intent-d419e4c0-bec4-4392-bd68-bad89bdee559.html). Giuliani deserves his own Bullshit thread. A few days ago he said “no one” signed that letter. When the letter with signature was displayed on TV he said that it was a “bullshit letter” — “Of course” Trump signed it but “It means nothing but an expression of interest that means very little unless it goes to a contract and it never did.” Hannity and Coulter are better bullshit artists than the 3rd-string rummies working in the White House. But I guess someone who needs to bilk a charity to pay his son’s $7 boy scout fee can’t afford the best. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8480 "2018-12-19T15:52:11Z")
Question for our resident lawyers: Do you think that Rudy G is a competent lawyer (based on what you’ve seen). In other words, if he agrees to bring Trump into a room with Mueller, would it go as planned or would it end in epic disaster? At this point, any current or future defense counsel for Trump may be analogous to a surgeon at Parkland hospital on 11/22/63 - there just might not be much that can be done to save the patient ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8481 "2018-12-19T16:56:16Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Apparently the talking heads at Faux News were totally convinced that Judge Emmett Sullivan was going to smack down the prosecution, vacate the guilty plea and set Flynn free yesterday. Instead of what really happened. > > Morning Joe put together a video montage of Tucker, Hannity and Jeanine making those predictions. It’s hysterical. > > [Morning Joe Mocks Fox News For Predictions About Flynn Judge](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-mocks-fox-news-for-predictions-about-flynn-judge-with-brutal-montage-that-was-rough/) Good find, Ann! Apparently, Judge Emmet isn’t finished throwing FoxNation under the bus: > “BREAKING: Judge Emmet Sullivan isn’t done this week, striking down most of AG Sessions’ move to heighten standards for “credible fear” asylum determinations and order the return of those deported under that policy.” If you can, please read the two “attachments” to the above tweet. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8482 "2018-12-19T17:09:25Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Apparently the talking heads at Faux News were totally convinced that Judge Emmett Sullivan was going to smack down the prosecution, vacate the guilty plea and set Flynn free yesterday. Instead of what really happened. > > Morning Joe put together a video montage of Tucker, Hannity and Jeanine making those predictions. It’s hysterical. > > [Morning Joe Mocks Fox News For Predictions About Flynn Judge](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-mocks-fox-news-for-predictions-about-flynn-judge-with-brutal-montage-that-was-rough/) That video clip is wonderful. Thanks for sharing! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=423) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=425)