# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 427
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8523 "2018-12-21T01:43:15Z")
This [huge news appears to be decently sourced](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-may-submit-report-attorney-general-soon-mid-february-say-n949961): (NBC) > [@](#): > > Special counsel Robert Mueller is nearing the end of his historic investigation into Russian election interference and is **expected to submit a confidential report to the attorney general as early as mid-February** , government officials and others familiar with the situation tell NBC News. > > “They clearly are tying up loose ends,” said a lawyer who has been in contact with the Mueller team. (emphasis mine.) I guess we’ll see. This is the first time I’ve seen any official reporting on this from a reputable source, however. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8524 "2018-12-21T01:51:43Z")
I call BS on that. Every 6 weeks or so a lawyer on Trump’s side floats the idea that Mueller is “wrapping up” the report. The NBC story has the same vague sourcing that all of the other stories had\*. \*Except for those times Rudy G would float this, but that boy cray. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8525 "2018-12-21T01:59:30Z")
The one thing we can be sure of is that Mueller’s team doesn’t leak. So anyone who claims to know something probably doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8526 "2018-12-21T02:08:23Z")
I put a lot more stock in predictions made by Pete Williams and Ken Dilanian, who are well connected and generally cautious in making such predictions. Dilanian in particular expressed surprise that Mueller might wrap up so soon, but he is persuaded it is a potential based on what his sources have shared. Obviously YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8527 "2018-12-21T02:08:27Z")
Wasn’t the investigation supposed to be finished by the end of the year…in 2017? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8528 "2018-12-21T02:27:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Holy. > Fucking. > Shit. > > [Russian Agents Sought Secret US Treasury Records On Clinton Backers During 2016 Campaign](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/russian-agents-sought-us-treasury-records-on-clinton-backers) It says during the Obama administration though! His DOJ was doing this? Or… what? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8529 "2018-12-21T02:36:53Z")
Well, technically the entire “Trump/Russia” thing happened during the Obama administration, so… yes? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8530 "2018-12-21T03:30:51Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Wasn’t the investigation supposed to be finished by the end of the year…in 2017? According to whom? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8531 "2018-12-21T04:52:02Z")
In-duh-vidual 1, probably. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8532 "2018-12-21T05:04:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I call BS on that. Every 6 weeks or so a lawyer on Trump’s side floats the idea that Mueller is “wrapping up” the report. The NBC story has the same vague sourcing that all of the other stories had\*. > > \*Except for those times Rudy G would float this, but that boy cray. Also, just because Mueller is finishing his report doesn’t mean other federal investigators are finishing up theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8533 "2018-12-21T05:30:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I put a lot more stock in predictions made by Pete Williams and Ken Dilanian, who are well connected and generally cautious in making such predictions. Dilanian in particular expressed surprise that Mueller might wrap up so soon, but he is persuaded it is a potential based on what his sources have shared. > > Obviously YMMV. I would be willing to believe that there are investigations that he is wrapping up, but not that he is in entirety wrapping up. Elliott Broidy still walks the Earth a free man. Robert Mueller is not finished. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8534 "2018-12-21T06:24:12Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I would be willing to believe that there are investigations that he is wrapping up, but not that he is in entirety wrapping up. > > Elliott Broidy still walks the Earth a free man. Robert Mueller is not finished. I should have been more precise. The reporting indicates Mueller will be issuing a report by mid-February. I agree the investigations that flowed from his work will go on for many months, even years, past Mueller’s initial investigation. Possibly even decades. The individuals who reported this out are not given to breathless exhortations of imminent Mueller findings, and they have good reputations to protect. Not Giuliani-esque. As I said, we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8535 "2018-12-21T12:30:41Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Fuck this timeline. I stumbled across a [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkjrE1TCvpA) video where two guys talk about the [Mandela effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Commonly_held_false_memories) wherein many people believe something that is not true. After presenting a number of them of little consequence (Whether Ed McMahon worked for Publishers Clearing House and did Rodin’s _The Thinker_ had his hand on his chin or brow to name two) one of them had a “theory” (He meant hypothesis) that there are multiple universes with slightly different timelines and the barriers between them are weakening. I wish it was true. I’d move to one where little Donnie Two-scoops was strangled in his crib in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8536 "2018-12-21T13:36:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, technically the entire “Trump/Russia” thing happened during the Obama administration, so… yes? Yeah but it’s one thing for officials in Trump’s campaign, family, transition and administration to be in cahoots with Russia. This is about the DOJ while Obama was president. That’s a huge difference and also one that makes no sense if I am reading it right. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8537 "2018-12-21T13:40:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > BUT HER EEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIILLLLLLLS > > Fuck this timeline. Fuck it. I’m growing a goatee. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8538 "2018-12-21T13:44:09Z")
We \*really \*need the Agonizer. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8539 "2018-12-21T13:58:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Also, just because Mueller is finishing his report doesn’t mean other federal investigators are finishing up theirs. To say nothing of the New York, Maryland and Washington, D.C. attorneys general. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8540 "2018-12-21T14:16:46Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I wish it was true. I’d move to one where little Donnie Two-scoops was strangled in his crib in a heartbeat. I’m sill waiting for Marty to hop in his Delorean and retrieve the almanac that somehow produced this nightmare of a timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8541 "2018-12-21T14:32:36Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I wish it was true. I’d move to one where little Donnie Two-scoops was strangled in his crib in a heartbeat. You poor sad sack. Don’t you realize that you DID switch timelines? Your alt self couldn’t take this bullshit, and on the night of November 8, 2016, swapped timelines with you. That’s why you woke up so confused, disoriented, and frightened. You don’t want to MOVE to that other timeline, you want to RETURN to it. And shoot your alt. And mine. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8542 "2018-12-21T21:14:39Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Well, surely Bloomberg would know more about the subtleties of Flynn’s innocence or guilt than the dumb judge who presided over the trial to allow this. Right? I think it would have been great if that judge had physically dragged him out of the court house and hung him, Roy Bean style. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=426) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=428)