# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 428
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8543 "2018-12-21T21:15:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Holy. Fucking. Shit. Indeed. > > It makes you wonder what else Russia has infiltrated with HUMINT. Everything? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8544 "2018-12-21T21:16:47Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Wasn’t the investigation supposed to be finished by the end of the year…in 2017? How long did the Ken Starr and Benghazi crap drag on??? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8545 "2018-12-21T21:37:25Z")
Here’s _The Onion_ on Mueller over the holidays: [Exhausted Robert Mueller Turns Off Phone To Give Himself Breather From Russia Probe News Over Holiday Break](https://politics.theonion.com/exhausted-robert-mueller-turns-off-phone-to-give-himsel-1831260409) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8546 "2018-12-21T21:57:08Z")
God, I love _The Onion_. Thanks for grabbing that and giving me a laugh, **Elendil’s Heir**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8547 "2018-12-21T23:40:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Yes? My read is that El-Hindi stopped hiring, shut down a bunch of programs, gave everyone too much work, and either started a turf war or caused one to happen due to personal negligence, all of which lead to the workers becoming sloppy and unhappy, making them prime targets for Russian efforts to recruit or mislead. > I would examine the bank accounts of El-Hindi. Negligent management is a pretty key trait of someone who has been compromised. Though, it’s probably more likely just the Peter Principle. Fair enough–so long as you’re including ‘being compromised’ in the “bad management” basket, I’ll withdraw my earlier objection. > [@SteveG1](#): > > How long did the Ken Starr and Benghazi crap drag on??? MUCH longer. Bill Clinton investigations: at least eight years (1994 to 2002, with Ken Starr’s tenure being about four years in the middle of that). Hillary (Benghazi) investigations: about two years (2014 to 2016), so far, anyway. Some sources: > [@](#): > > Watergate, Iran-Contra and Whitewater all had one thing in common: They lasted at least four years. > **[How Mueller’s First Year Compares To Watergate, Iran-Contra And Whitewater](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-muellers-first-year-compares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/)** > > And what those past investigations tell us about where the Russia investigation might go next. > [@](#): > > The Benghazi Select Committee was tasked with investigating how four Americans were killed, including US Ambassador Chris Stephens, when attackers raided the US compound in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012. > The select committee itself was created by House Republicans in May 2014. The committee issued its final report on the Benghazi attack a little more than two years later in June 2016 and was officially shut down in December 2016. The select panel spent $7 million during the course of the probe. [https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html) > [@](#): > > James Evans, former Professor of Behavioral Sciences (Emeritus) (1990-2015) > Answered Jul 8, 2018 · Author has 810 answers and 108.5k answer views > The Clinton investigations lasted from January, 1994 when Special Prosecutor, Robert Fiske was hired until March, 2002 when Independent Counsel, Robert Ray concluded his work. In between Fiske and Ray was Ken Starr who was Independent Counsel from August, 1994 until September 1998. > **[How long did the Ken Starr investigation last as compared to Robert Mueller’s?](https://www.quora.com/How-long-did-the-Ken-Starr-investigation-last-as-compared-to-Robert-Mueller-s)** > > Answer (1 of 7): The Clinton investigations lasted from January, 1994 when Special Prosecutor, Robert Fiske was hired until March, 2002 when Independent Counsel, Robert Ray concluded his work. In between Fiske and Ray was Ken Starr who was... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8548 "2018-12-22T03:09:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We \*really \*need the Agonizer. Okay, but we also need [the Orb.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAKWKfVcd04) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8549 "2018-12-22T03:33:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Okay, but we also need [the Orb.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAKWKfVcd04) What about [this one?](https://goo.gl/images/adp7HD) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8550 "2018-12-22T07:30:30Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > God, I love _The Onion_. Thanks for grabbing that and giving me a laugh, **Elendil’s Heir**. 😃 My favorite Onion headline was at the bottom of the page: “Depressed Mueller Wonders What It Is About Him That Makes Everyone Lie To Him” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8551 "2018-12-22T10:42:06Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Fuck it. I’m growing a goatee. Oh, God. If our current Trump is this bad, can you imagine what goatee-Trump would be like? > [@SteveG1](#): > > I think it would have been great if that judge had physically dragged him out of the court house and hung him, Roy Bean style. By the ear. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8552 "2018-12-22T13:50:50Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > By the ear. Dragged or hanged? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8553 "2018-12-22T14:00:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Okay, but we also need [the Orb.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAKWKfVcd04) > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What about [this one?](https://goo.gl/images/adp7HD) I’m thinking more [this one](https://youtu.be/W7P9xmVdYx4?t=57), for staying in touch with his master Vladimir. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8554 "2018-12-22T14:48:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What about [this one?](https://goo.gl/images/adp7HD) That’s so creepy. Should only bring it out on Halloween. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8555 "2018-12-22T16:37:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > So Ken White (of Popehat fame) is always a real treat to read, but yesterday’s article in The Atlantic is just… _so_ awesome. > > [How Michael Flynn's Lawyers Messed Up - The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/how-michael-flynns-lawyers-messed/578503/) > > “Note to Michael Flynn: Federal Court Is Not Twitter” Considering how much time these clowns spend in court you would think they’d be better at it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8556 "2018-12-22T17:46:55Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I’m thinking more [this one](https://youtu.be/W7P9xmVdYx4?t=57), for staying in touch with his master Vladimir. Fool of a Trump! ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8557 "2018-12-22T20:34:46Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Oh, God. If our current Trump is this bad, can you imagine what goatee-Trump would be like? I imagine Trump would have two or three tufts of hair on his chin that he would grow long so he could comb them around his mouth into a vague semblance of a goatee. It would be held together with a half a can of Aquanet but it would still flap around when he got riled up speaking at a rally. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8558 "2018-12-22T20:58:44Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Oh, God. If our current Trump is this bad, can you imagine what goatee-Trump would be like? I’m sure he’d be _wide open_ to differing points of view … wait, nevermind, i misread a letter there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8559 "2018-12-22T22:23:29Z")
Hell, Goateed Evil Spock might be an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8560 "2018-12-23T00:04:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hell, Goateed Evil Spock might be an improvement. > ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8561 "2018-12-23T00:05:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I’m sure he’d be _wide open_ to differing points of view … wait, nevermind, i misread a letter there. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8562 "2018-12-23T00:30:05Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I’m sure he’d be _wide open_ to differing points of view … wait, nevermind, i misread a letter there. Reported. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=427) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=429)