# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/841 "2017-11-24T01:56:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > i hope the Howling Yam’s t-Day is completely ruined with the timing of this. > > I hope the timing was intentional. 😃 Here’s a quote from Trump talking to the Coast Guard earlier today (after explaining what a submarine is): “You know when we sell to other countries, even if they’re allies, you never know about an ally – an ally can turn.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/842 "2017-11-24T02:09:11Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Here’s a quote from Trump talking to the Coast Guard earlier today (after explaining what a submarine is): > > “You know when we sell to other countries, even if they’re allies, you never know about an ally – an ally can turn.” LOL, my, it does seem he has disloyalty on his mind. \ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/843 "2017-11-24T02:26:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Here’s a quote from Trump talking to the Coast Guard earlier today (after explaining what a submarine is): > > “You know when we sell to other countries, even if they’re allies, you never know about an ally – an ally can turn.” This is a very appropriate statement from a man who, by his own admission, has no friends and trusts no one. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/844 "2017-11-24T03:06:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’d make a joke about Trump before Thanksgiving dinner telling his family to go around the table and say thanks for his greatness, but he actually made his CABINET do that, so actually it’s not a joke at all. Oh, yeh, that episode, even after the tsumani of other weirdness, incompetence and evil that’s come out of this administration – that episode still stands out to me as bizarre and disturbing. Not only that he demanded it, but that every damn one of them fought to out lickspittle the others, and that the whole thing was staged for the cameras. I’m left groping for words to express the creepy pathology of it. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/845 "2017-11-24T04:39:02Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > LOL, my, it does seem he has disloyalty on his mind. \ Can’t wait to read tomorrow’s tweetstorm! My eyeballs are burning already. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/846 "2017-11-24T04:53:14Z")
Flynn’s been trying to work a deal since this past March. Y’all remember his offer to Congress to come tell them all he knew in exchange for immunity. For a few minutes there, I was thinking that Trump couldn’t pardon Flynn until there was a conviction, but then I remembered Ford pardoning Nixon and that went out the window. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/847 "2017-11-24T05:01:43Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Happy Thanksgiving. [Flynn flipped.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html?_r=0) Hard to pretend it’s a nothingburger when your National Security Advisor is cooperating against you. Also, can’t imagine that you flip a witness to try to nail someone lower, and there ain’t much higher than Flynn. > > \*Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case, an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating such a deal. > > Mr. Flynn’s lawyers had been sharing information with Mr. Trump’s lawyers about the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining whether anyone around Mr. Trump was involved in Russian efforts to undermine Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. > > That agreement has been terminated, the four people said. Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.\* Will Jefferson Beauregard: 1-Fire Mueller 2-Resign rather than firing Mueller 3-Punt to some flunky. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/848 "2017-11-24T05:23:05Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Can’t wait to read tomorrow’s tweetstorm! My eyeballs are burning already. Today’s gospel reading will be from Saint Donald’s letter to the Hannityites chapter one, verse one(and pretty much all the rest of them as well) But… But…But… Hillary!!! And thus endith today’s reading. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/849 "2017-11-24T14:49:12Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Can’t wait to read tomorrow’s tweetstorm! My eyeballs are burning already. \*"Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump: Will be speaking to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey this morning about bringing peace to the mess that I inherited in the Middle East. I will get it all done, but what a mistake, in lives and dollars (6 trillion), to be there in the first place!"\* Seems like now that Flynn, who is accused of trying to kidnap someone for Turkey, has flipped, someone is trying to get their stories straight. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/850 "2017-11-24T16:09:23Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Seems like now that Flynn, who is accused of trying to kidnap someone for Turkey, has flipped, someone is trying to get their stories straight. It’s only a matter of time until he pardons Flynn, I hear he already pardoned Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/851 "2017-11-24T16:39:37Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > It’s only a matter of time until he pardons Flynn, I hear he already pardoned Turkey. It was such a powerful pardon, it affected two Turkeys. So much power. Power the likes the world has never seen. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/852 "2017-11-24T16:47:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > _I will get it all done, but what a mistake, in lives and dollars (6 trillion), to be there in the first place!"_ I’m sure this must mean he’s cutting off military aid to Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/853 "2017-11-24T17:09:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m sure this must mean he’s cutting off military aid to Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. I’m sure that he has no idea what this means. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/854 "2017-11-25T06:39:05Z")
Hopefully one of our lawyer Dopers can answer this: Since it appears that Mueller is going hard after Trump’s finances, and word is that he’s subpoenaed Trump’s tax returns, would they be available under the Freedom of Information Act? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/855 "2017-11-25T18:11:45Z")
IANAL, and I live in a very different country to you, but my opinion is no: Mueller is gathering evidence. If he chooses to submit that evidence it would become public. If he chooses not to, it remains private. If that was not the case any individual under suspicion could claim access to incriminating evidence under the F.I. act, and thereby gain substantial gain, which somewhat defeats justice. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/856 "2017-11-26T04:30:05Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > IANAL, and I live in a very different country to you, but my opinion is no: Mueller is gathering evidence. > > If he chooses to submit that evidence it would become public. If he chooses not to, it remains private… If I were part of this administration, I’d be worried. More worried if I had something to hide. And much more worried by Mueller’s silence… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/857 "2017-12-01T14:24:50Z")
Flynn charged with [lying to the FBI](http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html). Word is that he has already[pled guilty](https://twitter.com/natashabertrand?lang=en), which leaves out any doubt that there is a deal in place. Who is higher up in the food chain than Flynn? Better [link on pleading guilty](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) on edit. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/858 "2017-12-01T14:38:35Z")
Now _that_’s the way to kick off December! _Deck the halls with more indictments, fa la la la la la la la la!_ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/859 "2017-12-01T14:41:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Flynn charged with [lying to the FBI](http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html). Word is that he has already[pled guilty](https://twitter.com/natashabertrand?lang=en), which leaves out any doubt that there is a deal in place. Who is higher up in the food chain than Flynn? > > Better [link on pleading guilty](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) on edit. Fox News tries to put a positive spin on it. [Special counsel charges Gen. Michael Flynn with making false statements to FBI; plea imminent.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-charged-in-special-counsels-russia-investigation.html) The accompanying picture of the Mueller and Flynn says: **Mueller Gets His Man** No, sorry, Mueller is _not_ stopping with Flynn. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/860 "2017-12-01T14:49:26Z")
Yeah, those charges he’s pleading guilty to seem a bit lower than what they have him dead to rights on. Lower charges in exchange for what? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=44)