# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 443
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8843 "2019-01-11T04:12:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Feb. 7 for those who were wondering. > > Cohen, 52, said in a statement on Thursday that he agreed to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 7 “in furtherance of my commitment to cooperate and provide the American people with answers.” > “I look forward to having the privilege of being afforded a platform with which to give a full and credible account of the events which have transpired,” he added. > [Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen to testify publicly before Congress in February](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-testify-publicly-congress-february-n957321) This is killing me. I’m going to be out of reach of a tee vee for that week. I’m sorry to disappoint you all, but this hearing must be continued for a week! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8844 "2019-01-11T15:13:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Foxnews now agreeing that illegal [collusion/conspiracy took place](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/10/napolitano_on_collusion_mueller_can_show_trump_campaign_had_a_connection_to_russian_intelligence.html)between Russia and Trump campaign. Yeah, but Trump didn’t know anything about it. This is a gigantic nothingburger. :rolleyes:😃 ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8845 "2019-01-11T17:16:58Z")
I don’t see anything coming of the Cohen testimony to Congress. What he will say is what we already know - Trump ordered the payments to the two women, and discussed ways to try to keep it quiet. The fact that the Stormy Daniels payment legally had to be considered a campaign-related expense and therefore reported, makes this a violation of campaign finance laws, and worse, a conspiracy to commit fraud to violate those laws. But we already know all that. Quid pro quo’s with Russians aren’t in his wheelhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8846 "2019-01-11T17:34:39Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I don’t see anything coming of the Cohen testimony to Congress. I’m hoping that at the very least it results in a few sleepless nights at the Hannity household. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8847 "2019-01-11T17:43:31Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I don’t see anything coming of the Cohen testimony to Congress. What he will say is what we already know - Trump ordered the payments to the two women, and discussed ways to try to keep it quiet. The fact that the Stormy Daniels payment legally had to be considered a campaign-related expense and therefore reported, makes this a violation of campaign finance laws, and worse, a conspiracy to commit fraud to violate those laws. But we already know all that. > > Quid pro quo’s with Russians aren’t in his wheelhouse. Oh, no, no, no. So long as Mueller clears it, Cohen is free to discuss _anything_ about which he is asked. Anything at all. As for quid pro quos with Russians not being in his wheelhouse, not sure where you got that idea. Cohen [married into a family with significant Russian mob ties](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/a-brief-history-of-michael-cohens-criminal-ties-628875/). (Rolling Stone) And that whole being-in-Prague thing… the informed speculation around that excursion is that Cohen was there to issue payment to Russian hackers. So totally his wheelhouse. I expect Mueller to keep him off the really big juicy stuff relating to Russia, anything that might compromise all the hard work Mueller and his team have done. But even putting that stuff aside, Cohen can spill whatever he likes about payoffs to other women, other “secrets in the vault,” money laundering through Trump’s various holdings, racketeering, extortion, tax evasion… shall I go on? This hearing is going to be… ummm… yuge. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8848 "2019-01-11T17:57:25Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Foxnews now agreeing that illegal [collusion/conspiracy took place](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/10/napolitano_on_collusion_mueller_can_show_trump_campaign_had_a_connection_to_russian_intelligence.html)between Russia and Trump campaign. But that is Shepard Smith, who is the resident voice of sanity at Fox and he is known for debunking the right wing narrative. It doesn’t represent any sort of shift of the general FOX viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8849 "2019-01-11T18:08:31Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > [Supreme Court refuses to block mystery grand jury subpoena](https://thehill.com/regulation/424389-supreme-court-refuses-to-block-mystery-grand-jury-subpoena? __twitter_impression=true&__ twitter_impression=true) > > Maybe that “significantly daily monetary penalty” will be enough to keep the judiciary open longer? (Since it’s running out of money because of the shutdown?) Clever of Mr. Roberts… [Judge rules against Concord Management.](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/judge-mueller-doesnt-have-to-explain-source-of-info-used-for-action-in-troll-case) > [@](#): > > U.S. District Judge Dabney Friedrich on Friday denied the request for an explanation by Concord, which believed the action could have been based on information it had shared with a DOJ lawyer that’s not supposed to be working with Mueller’s team. Oh, and the transcript has been unsealed: [https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1083784116179472385](https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1083784116179472385) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8850 "2019-01-11T20:22:22Z")
“Trump team should be allowed to ‘correct’ final Mueller report, says Giuliani”-[See here.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller?fbclid=IwAR1zLVuhpHqUeGBjyi3DWH0_mkuF5iojYYghw1riawiTNI2zxFDcsZltT00) And he thinks they should be allowed to do this before Congress or the public gets to see it! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8851 "2019-01-11T20:23:30Z")
Rudy thinks Trump’s team should be able to “edit” the final Mueller report before it’s released. > **[Exclusive: Trump team should be allowed to ‘correct’ final Mueller report,...](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller/)** > > Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.The cla… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8852 "2019-01-11T20:24:29Z")
“Officer, before you leave, may I correct that ticket, please? Thanks.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8853 "2019-01-11T20:26:27Z")
On the bright side, the misspellings, random capitalizations and exclamation points should make the edits pretty easy to spot. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8854 "2019-01-11T20:30:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > On the bright side, the misspellings, random capitalizations and exclamation points should make the edits pretty easy to spot. “Trump is powerfully innocent!!!” Bigly!!!" ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8855 "2019-01-11T21:36:28Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > On the bright side, the misspellings, random capitalizations and exclamation points should make the edits pretty easy to spot. And the smudges of bronzer. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8856 "2019-01-11T22:12:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Trump team should be allowed to ‘correct’ final Mueller report, says Giuliani”-[See here.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller?fbclid=IwAR1zLVuhpHqUeGBjyi3DWH0_mkuF5iojYYghw1riawiTNI2zxFDcsZltT00) And he thinks they should be allowed to do this before Congress or the public gets to see it! For about two years now, I feel like I’ve woken up in an alternate universe. This though, is like Trump saying that he’s some sort of master in technology. If my boss or a coworker talked like these people to, I would assume really, really bad drugs, or a stroke. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8857 "2019-01-11T23:11:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > For about two years now, I feel like I’ve woken up in an alternate universe. This though, is like Trump saying that he’s some sort of master in technology. > > If my boss or a coworker talked like these people to, I would assume really, really bad drugs, or a stroke. On The Daily Show yesterday Trevor Noah played a clip of Trump giving a history lesson on walls vs wheels. Noah said that if a football player got up from being tackled and talked like that, they’d cart him off the field and check his brain. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8858 "2019-01-12T00:41:00Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > On The Daily Show yesterday Trevor Noah played a clip of Trump giving a history lesson on walls vs wheels. Noah said that if a football player got up from being tackled and talked like that, they’d cart him off the field and check his brain. Ron Perlman [imitates the President.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z4F1dQW5Z8) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8859 "2019-01-12T01:43:41Z")
Huh. No wonder Individual-1 took on the FBI: [President Trump’s actions so alarmed the FBI after James Comey’s firing that it began investigating if he was working on behalf of Russia against American interests.](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html) > [@](#): > > The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence. > > The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which haslong been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice. > > Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularlytwoinstancesin which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8860 "2019-01-12T01:54:41Z")
Lol, I just got to correct Seth Abramson… Anyway, this is a bombshell. Trump needs to go, he needs to go now, and we need to call our Reps and Senators until he is gone. When the history books are written, the one thing that will be seen by those future writers is just becoming clear now is just how _open_ and _obvious_ this was. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8861 "2019-01-12T02:13:26Z")
Lock him up! Lock him up! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8862 "2019-01-12T02:36:13Z")
I’m just getting caught up with this latest news. Not surprising, but… wow. Yes, a bombshell. And yes, we need to get him gone ASAP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=442) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=444)