# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/881 "2017-12-01T16:46:46Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I only wish I could go back in time and double my bet with **Okrahoma**. I think we all know what he’d be saying right now if he was still here. Something something Charlie Brown something something football… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/882 "2017-12-01T16:47:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Asked in the Elections thread too – what happens if Trump pardons Flynn? Pardon him? Hell, at this point I expect Thump to claim that he’s never heard of Michael Flynn and has no idea what any of this is about. He’ll claim it’s something Crooked Hillary made up and it’s nothing but FAKE NEWS. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/883 "2017-12-01T16:51:07Z")
Can a lawyer chime in here? Isn’t it too late to pardon someone if they’ve already given sworn testimony? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/884 "2017-12-01T16:51:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Pardon him? Hell, at this point I expect Thump to claim that he’s never heard of Michael Flynn and has no idea what any of this is about. And he may actually be telling the truth, he seems so demented these days… But I’ve been wondering this: If Trump gets impeached or even jailed, what will Fox do? 1. act like nothing happened and Trump is still president - that won’t fly for long… 1. say it was a coup by Democrats - surely they’re not that crazy 'cause that might lead to a civil war, or at least there will be **a lot** of assassinated Democrat politicians 1. it was a coup by Republicans - not a civil war but those assassinations would happen and the victims would be Republicans 1. they just admit that Trump was a crook and that they lied to public - they would lose all credibility after that 1. they say that nobody could have guessed Trump was a crook. And then people would point out that “fake media” said it all the time - no credibility after that 1. bosses say that the staff was incompetent and they will replace them with competent ones - who believes that those ( apparently incompetent ) bosses can pick competent staff this time, and there goes the credibility Do Fox have any good options ? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/885 "2017-12-01T17:02:49Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > \Do Fox have any good options ? Report the news? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/886 "2017-12-01T17:03:26Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > And he may actually be telling the truth, he seems so demented these days… > But I’ve been wondering this: > If Trump gets impeached or even jailed, what will Fox do? > > 1. act like nothing happened and Trump is still president > > - that won’t fly for long… > > 1. say it was a coup by Democrats > > - surely they’re not that crazy 'cause that might lead to a civil war, or at least there will be **a lot** of assassinated Democrat politicians > > 1. it was a coup by Republicans > > - not a civil war but those assassinations would happen and the victims would be Republicans > > 1. they just admit that Trump was a crook and that they lied to public > > - they would lose all credibility after that > > 1. they say that nobody could have guessed Trump was a crook. And then people would point out that “fake media” said it all the time > > - no credibility after that > > 1. bosses say that the staff was incompetent and they will replace them with competent ones > > - who believes that those ( apparently incompetent ) bosses can pick competent staff this time, and there goes the credibility > Do Fox have any good options ? 1. Act as if they were anti-Trump all along. - and all their viewers will believe it ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/887 "2017-12-01T17:05:48Z")
Flynn Jr hasn’t tweeted in 24 hours. That’s the longest he’s gone without tweeting since Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/888 "2017-12-01T17:06:00Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > 1. Act as if they were anti-Trump all along. > > - and all their viewers will believe it The easy way to frame it, to me, is that it’s all a hit job from “establishment” politicians (whether Republican or Democrat) that didn’t like Trump’s way of doing things/handling himself, so they took him down. If I were a supporter of Trump, that’s exactly what I would be looking at this situation as (assuming my support of Trump includes full faith in him.) ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/889 "2017-12-01T17:07:06Z")
Fox would just put all their eggs in Pence’s basket and say they always wanted that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/890 "2017-12-01T17:07:37Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Can a lawyer chime in here? Isn’t it too late to pardon someone if they’ve already given sworn testimony? No, a person can be pardoned anytime. (even after they’re dead, I think) But, the sworn testimony is still the sworn testimony. The pardon doesn’t erase it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/891 "2017-12-01T17:09:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Until about ten minutes ago, foxnews was reporting on Clinton’s emails. Even they have switched over to this. They’ll have enough evidence to impeach her any day now. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/892 "2017-12-01T17:11:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > No, a person can be pardoned anytime. (even after they’re dead, I think) > > But, the sworn testimony is still the sworn testimony. The pardon doesn’t erase it. But that defeats the purpose of pardoning him as far as Trump is concerned, no? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/893 "2017-12-01T17:16:39Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > And he may actually be telling the truth, he seems so demented these days… > But I’ve been wondering this: > If Trump gets impeached or even jailed, what will Fox do? > > 1. act like nothing happened and Trump is still president > > - that won’t fly for long… > > 1. say it was a coup by Democrats > > - surely they’re not that crazy 'cause that might lead to a civil war, or at least there will be **a lot** of assassinated Democrat politicians > > 1. it was a coup by Republicans > > - not a civil war but those assassinations would happen and the victims would be Republicans > > 1. they just admit that Trump was a crook and that they lied to public > > - they would lose all credibility after that > > 1. they say that nobody could have guessed Trump was a crook. And then people would point out that “fake media” said it all the time > > - no credibility after that > > 1. bosses say that the staff was incompetent and they will replace them with competent ones > > - who believes that those ( apparently incompetent ) bosses can pick competent staff this time, and there goes the credibility > Do Fox have any good options ? > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > 1. Act as if they were anti-Trump all along. > > - and all their viewers will believe it > [@garygnu](#): > > Fox would just put all their eggs in Pence’s basket and say they always wanted that. Nah, they’d just keep on talking about Hillary’s emails, the Clinton foundation, uranium, Benghazi, etc., as they’ve been doing, and when they had to talk about Pence, they’d talk about him as if he’d been President all along, in an ‘Oceania had _always_ been at war with Eastasia’ sort of way. > [@enipla](#): > > Report the news? There’s a comedian in every crowd. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/894 "2017-12-01T17:19:36Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > And he may actually be telling the truth, he seems so demented these days… > But I’ve been wondering this: > If Trump gets impeached or even jailed, what will Fox do? > > 1. act like nothing happened and Trump is still president > > - that won’t fly for long… > > 1. say it was a coup by Democrats > > - surely they’re not that crazy 'cause that might lead to a civil war, or at least there will be **a lot** of assassinated Democrat politicians > > 1. it was a coup by Republicans > > - not a civil war but those assassinations would happen and the victims would be Republicans > > 1. they just admit that Trump was a crook and that they lied to public > > - they would lose all credibility after that > > 1. they say that nobody could have guessed Trump was a crook. And then people would point out that “fake media” said it all the time > > - no credibility after that > > 1. bosses say that the staff was incompetent and they will replace them with competent ones > > - who believes that those ( apparently incompetent ) bosses can pick competent staff this time, and there goes the credibility > Do Fox have any good options ? It will be some version of 5. Their audience doesn’t watch “fake media”. They are also covered by the few voices over there that do call out Trump. They can point to “warning signs” that Trump wasn’t a true believer from their own “real” media. I was hoping this would drag out longer at one point, for various reasons. Now I want Trump gone ASAP, before he starts a nuclear conflict. I hope this means the end is getting closer. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/895 "2017-12-01T17:19:54Z")
Russia [canceled meetings](http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Russia-envoy-cancels-trip-saying-Russian-officials-wont-meet-him-515761?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) with our diplomats this morning. Also, White House officials just described Flynn as “an [Obama administration official](http://www.businessinsider.com/ty-cobb-michael-flynn-obama-official-2017-12)”! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/896 "2017-12-01T17:24:47Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Russia [canceled meetings](http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Russia-envoy-cancels-trip-saying-Russian-officials-wont-meet-him-515761?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) with our diplomats this morning. > > Also, White House officials just described Flynn as “an [Obama administration official](http://www.businessinsider.com/ty-cobb-michael-flynn-obama-official-2017-12)”! Forgetting his leading cheers of “Lock her up!” at the RNC convention. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/897 "2017-12-01T17:39:40Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Do Fox have any good options ? Make Kim Guifoyle wear even shorter dresses and cut the sound on The Five. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/898 "2017-12-01T17:43:23Z")
James Comey [trolls](https://twitter.com/Comey/status/936641449294286848) the Cheeto-Complected Cretin: > [@James Comey](#): > > “But justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream” Amos 5:24 (Anybody else suspect a not-so-subtle allusion to some other flowing “stream” upon the bed of a Moscow hotel room? 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/899 "2017-12-01T17:45:21Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Forgetting his leading cheers of “Lock her up!” at the RNC convention. Any former Obama official, now just a private citizen, can exercise their freedom of speech. Nothing to see there. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/900 "2017-12-01T17:52:09Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > James Comey [trolls](https://twitter.com/Comey/status/936641449294286848) the Cheeto-Complected Cretin: > > (Anybody else suspect a not-so-subtle allusion to some other flowing “stream” upon the bed of a Moscow hotel room? 😛 ) Har har! It got by me. Thanks for pointing that out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=46)