# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 450
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8983 "2019-01-15T17:38:04Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Just a singular data point I know - A very good friend of mine is a Bernie supporter. Big time. Detests Trump like any rational person would. When I warned her that Trump could be a problem, and it may be best to through support behind Clinton, she insisted that SHE would still vote for Bernie, and that the WOMEN of the country won’t let us down and let Trump. My singular data point is my godson, who was a hardcore Bernie Bro. I remember the night Clinton clinched the nomination. About a half hour later, he posted a thoughtful piece about how although he was disappointed, it was important to stop Trump and support Clinton, closed with the #Imwithher hashtag. And he supported Clinton and voted for her. Now before Bernie came along, he was completely apathetic with regards to politics despite my efforts to engage him. But once he became interested he stayed interested. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8984 "2019-01-16T01:08:49Z")
Good for him! My son is still totally negative on Hillary, although I don’t believe he goes so far as to express doubt about there being anything shady about the ties between Putin and Trump. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8985 "2019-01-16T02:55:27Z")
Mine, the Err Apparent, retains his exasperated affection for the Bernie Bros of his acquaintance. It is good to get used to the agony of coalition. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8986 "2019-01-16T03:01:46Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Mine, the Err Apparent, retains his exasperated affection for the Bernie Bros of his acquaintance. It is good to get used to the agony of coalition. Good band names here: Err Apparent - a synth heavy industrial band Agony of Coalition/Agony Coaliotion/Coalition of Agony - metal bands Exasperated Affection - goth/dark/synth ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8987 "2019-01-16T03:19:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Good band names here… And BERNIE\*!\* - me and my fellow over-the-hill Jewish friends doing covers of songs we wish someone still recognized. (Oh, wait, that’s actually our current attempt at a viable band, maybe we should rethink our demographics…) ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8988 "2019-01-16T03:44:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Bob Barr, nominated to become Attorney General, pledges to allow Mueller to finish his investigation: [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/barr-mueller-investigation-1099069](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/barr-mueller-investigation-1099069) Could the president withdraw his nomination at this point? If he went before the Senate and said “I will recuse myself if the career ethics people tell me to” or “I will totally make every word of the special counsel’s report public,” could Trump say “Never mind, I de-nominate you, go home”? Could that be a factor in how he’s answering the Democrats’ questions? ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8989 "2019-01-16T03:45:49Z")
Also \*Bill. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8990 "2019-01-16T04:07:16Z")
Does anyone know of a video or web comic that explains the Mueller investigation in a way an 8yo could understand? Or something that more broadly answers the question my daughter posed to me today of why I don’t like President Trump? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8991 "2019-01-16T04:10:14Z")
“He hates baby animals” oughtta do it. Talk to her about coal ash, environmental stuff. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8992 "2019-01-16T04:39:24Z")
That sounds fine for Republicans broadly. But I mean the stuff that is uniquely revolting and dangerous about Trump. And it will put a lot more weight behind it if it’s not just me telling her. At some point she needs to learn enough media literacy to not take something as gospel truth just because it’s “in print” or on YouTube, but right now I’d like to use that tendency to my advantage. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8993 "2019-01-16T06:49:19Z")
“See, Elmo here is the proletariat, and has all the power, which is why its the “dictatorship of the proletariat”. Sparkle Motion is the revolutionary cadres, who _lead_ the proletariat in making the decisions that they dictate. The cadres don’t have any power, except that everybody has to do what they say. Now, the Grinch…” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8994 "2019-01-16T12:29:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I may soon be proven wrong, and it’s quite possible he’s drunk the Trumpian Kool-Aide in the past few years, but Barr has a reputation - dating back to even before his stint as AG for GHWB - for being a decent, honest guy with an abiding respect for the rule of law. I, for one, hope he lives up to it. I must say that after viewing the snippets of his testimony yesterday, I’m much less alarmed by Barr than I was prior to his hearing. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8995 "2019-01-16T13:20:23Z")
NYT: After Trump met with Putin in Germany, he “telephoned a Times reporter and argued that the Russians were falsely accused of election interference.” > [@](#): > > The day after the two meetings, as Mr. Trump was on Air Force One taking off from Germany heading back to Washington, he telephoned a Times reporter and argued that the Russians were falsely accused of election interference. While he insisted most of the conversation be off the record, he later repeated a few things in public in little-noticed asides. > > He said that he raised the election hacking three times and that Mr. Putin denied involvement. **But he said Mr. Putin also told him that “if we did, we wouldn’t have gotten caught because we’re professionals.” Mr. Trump said: “I thought that was a good point because they are some of the best in the world” at hacking.** > > Asked how he weighed Mr. Putin’s denials against the evidence that had been presented to him by Mr. Comey; John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director; and James R. Clapper Jr., then director of national intelligence, he said that Mr. Clapper and Mr. Brennan were the “most political” intelligence chiefs he knew and that Mr. Comey was “a leaker.” > **[Trump and Putin Have Met Five Times. What Was Said Is a Mystery. (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/trump-putin-meetings.html)** > > The unusually secretive way the president has handled these meetings has left his own administration guessing what happened and piqued the interest of investigators. I mean, arguing this man isn’t committing treason _as President_ is becoming an increasingly difficult task. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8996 "2019-01-16T13:31:50Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I must say that after viewing the snippets of his testimony yesterday, I’m much less alarmed by Barr than I was prior to his hearing. Who are you and what have you done with asahi? ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8997 "2019-01-16T13:40:45Z")
no way we got hacked by the best hackers in the world, am I right? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8998 "2019-01-16T13:44:04Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That sounds fine for Republicans broadly. But I mean the stuff that is uniquely revolting and dangerous about Trump. And it will put a lot more weight behind it if it’s not just me telling her. At some point she needs to learn enough media literacy to not take something as gospel truth just because it’s “in print” or on YouTube, but right now I’d like to use that tendency to my advantage. The guy seems to think that the finest thing he can serve to White House guests is a Big Mac. Really, what more needs to be said? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/8999 "2019-01-16T13:45:25Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That sounds fine for Republicans broadly. But I mean the stuff that is uniquely revolting and dangerous about Trump. And it will put a lot more weight behind it if it’s not just me telling her. At some point she needs to learn enough media literacy to not take something as gospel truth just because it’s “in print” or on YouTube, but right now I’d like to use that tendency to my advantage. You could always use Trump as an example of why lying is bad. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9000 "2019-01-16T13:54:00Z")
> [@digs](#): > > And BERNIE\*!\* - me and my fellow over-the-hill Jewish friends doing covers of songs we wish someone still recognized. > > (Oh, wait, that’s actually our current attempt at a viable band, maybe we should rethink our demographics…) I want to form a band someday called EVENT STAFF. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9001 "2019-01-16T14:02:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I must say that after viewing the snippets of his testimony yesterday, I’m much less alarmed by Barr than I was prior to his hearing. > [@Borborygmi](#): > > Who are you and what have you done with asahi? 😃 That was my first thought, too. The pod people finally did a switch. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9002 "2019-01-16T14:03:25Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > no way we got hacked by the best hackers in the world, am I right? Exactly. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=449) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=451)