# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 455
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9083 "2019-01-18T14:40:53Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Amy Klobuchar nailed Barr to the wall on those exact concerns yesterday in her questioning, point by point. He did not equivocate. He responded “yes” to each of her questions. The specificity of the questions and the quasi smile on her face make me feel like she knew that this was coming. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9084 "2019-01-18T14:48:06Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Republicans are never going to hear the end of it that Trump was our guy. I feel like we’re going to have to wait maybe 50 years before it’s not a relevant gloat any more. You left out Dubya and Nixon. Maybe they’re not just coincidences, and there will be others in the future, too. Maybe there’s something about the mindset that makes one loyal to a party rather than the country that causes those results? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9085 "2019-01-18T14:51:45Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Luckily, the vast majority of Americans, even those that voted for Trump, are much more nuanced and complex, and do not support torture, murder, and kidnapping. But those aren’t deal-breakers for them, are they? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9086 "2019-01-18T14:53:07Z")
# 1929 - Hoover ® +45 # 1974 - Nixon ® +45 # 2019 - Trump ® +45 2064 - :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9087 "2019-01-18T15:00:30Z")
Many Trump voters, I am sure, do not _like_ torture, kidnapping, and so on. But voting for a guy who does those things is, in fact, support for them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9088 "2019-01-18T15:04:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > # 1929 - Hoover (R) +45 > > # 1974 - Nixon (R) +45 > > # 2019 - Trump (R) +45 > > 2064 - :eek: Maybe the end of the 45-year curse ends with our 45th president. Has anyone checked Nostradamus for the number 45 lately? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9089 "2019-01-18T15:08:10Z")
I believe that was Michael Jordan’s baseball number, but I’m not seeing an immediate connection. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9090 "2019-01-18T15:12:02Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The specificity of the questions and the quasi smile on her face make me feel like she knew that this was coming. I was really wondering the same thing. That line of questioning did seem to be an awfully lucky coincidence given the news that came out a shortly after it. I don’t have the time or ambition to delve into it, but I wonder if Klobuchar has some connection to the writers of the article, and maybe they gave her a little heads up. Or, possibly she heard something from the same sources Buzzfeed used. “Hey, Senator, you didn’t hear this from me, but Buzzfeed is going to drop one helluva story tomorrow…” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9091 "2019-01-18T15:12:23Z")
[All about 45…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45_(number)) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9092 "2019-01-18T15:22:15Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Luckily, the vast majority of Americans, even those that voted for Trump, are much more nuanced and complex, and do not support torture, murder, and kidnapping. Clearly you haven’t met some of the guys I work with. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9093 "2019-01-18T15:25:48Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Clearly you haven’t met some of the guys I work with. Or the people in certain branches of my family tree. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9094 "2019-01-18T15:30:32Z")
Wonder if Trump is wishing he’d just let Pelosi, et al, jet off to Europe. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9095 "2019-01-18T15:31:52Z")
Right, he could have cancelled their trip \*back \*instead. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9096 "2019-01-18T15:34:44Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9097 "2019-01-18T16:07:00Z")
The usual suspects have not chimed in to refute the latest bombshell from Buzzfeed. When they do, will it be: 1. Fake News! Never happened! Deep state making it up! Witch hunt! 2. No big deal. Nothingburder. Nobody cares outside of DC 3. Both sides do it. Look at these examples. CLINTON LIED! HILLARY! 4. Cohen is a liar! He lies! Can’t believe Cohen! (the Giuliani defense) 5. Other? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9098 "2019-01-18T16:11:16Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > 1. Cohen is a liar! He lies! Can’t believe Cohen! (the Giuliani defense) As I read the list, I was thinking Giuliani put out number two. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9099 "2019-01-18T16:21:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The usual suspects have not chimed in to refute the latest bombshell from Buzzfeed. When they do, will it be: > > 1. Fake News! Never happened! Deep state making it up! Witch hunt! > > 2. No big deal. Nothingburder. Nobody cares outside of DC > > 3. Both sides do it. Look at these examples. CLINTON LIED! HILLARY! > > 4. Cohen is a liar! He lies! Can’t believe Cohen! (the Giuliani defense) > > 5. Other? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9100 "2019-01-18T16:24:31Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The usual suspects have not chimed in to refute the latest bombshell from Buzzfeed. When they do, will it be: > > 1. Fake News! Never happened! Deep state making it up! Witch hunt! > > 2. No big deal. Nothingburder. Nobody cares outside of DC > > 3. Both sides do it. Look at these examples. CLINTON LIED! HILLARY! > > 4. Cohen is a liar! He lies! Can’t believe Cohen! (the Giuliani defense) > > 5. Other? Well, Individual-1 has had a go at covering (4) this morning, and has submitted candidates for (5) and (6): 1. Southern border crisis! Crime! Terrorists! Caravan! 2. (Random, contextless sloganeering) “America First! Make America Great Again!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9101 "2019-01-18T16:32:46Z")
The Cohen excuse seems the front-runner among the apologia today, conveniently leaving out that Cohen wasn’t the source of the Buzzfeed report. Also: [https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1086295189944176640](https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1086295189944176640) > [@](#): > > when asked directly White House press secretary Hogan Gidley refuses three times to say whether the Buzzfeed report is true or false. Reports saying a rooster started crowing after the third refusal are still unconfirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9102 "2019-01-18T16:37:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Josh Marshall, Talking Points Memo: > > “Look. He lied. He told someone to lie. But it’s not like he was lying about a serious issue. Only about $300 million he hoped to make by allying himself with a foreign autocrat and betraying his own country.” > > [https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1086127305859260416](https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1086127305859260416) > > I’ve already called Cruz and Cornyn, told them flat out they need to get that son of a bitch out. Will call tomorrow as well. I just called Alexander. The lady answering the phone sounded very tired. I’d call Blackburn, but what the point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=454) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=456)