# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 460
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9183 "2019-01-20T20:38:53Z")
Over my head or off the wall, but I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9184 "2019-01-20T20:52:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Over my head or off the wall, but I don’t get it. Babylon 5 reference. ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9185 "2019-01-20T20:53:14Z")
I think that may be a Babylon 5 reference. Let’s see if I can find a clip online… ETA: Here we go: [Babylon 5: Vir at his best Part 1 - YouTube](https://youtu.be/S0n2vurSBIQ) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9186 "2019-01-20T20:55:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > From Republicans? For a Republican president? > > Of course. He’s a member of their team now. And I suspect that several other Republican leaders are already covering up their own Russian compromat or “help”. > > Christian Republicans have already reconciled themselves to supporting a man who is an adulterous liar, who knows nothing of the bible, and has rarely gone to church, and who espouses anti-christian thoughts just about every time he opens his mouth. > > There is no honour left in the party. None. There’s a part of me that thinks that his fundamentalist base is in major doublethink mode, simultaneously accepting the parts they like (judges, gay-bashing, etc) as good while seeing, in worst case scenario, the bad man in high office as the anti-Christ, ushering in the long yearned for end times. Kid of a win-win for them. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9187 "2019-01-20T20:58:43Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I hope this isn’t a red herring. Otherwise the only thing Mueller will have on Trump is every other thing Trump’s done in the past few years. Few years? Is this a whoosh? The man has been a crook for his entire life. It’s all he knows and all he does (however poorly) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9188 "2019-01-20T21:02:12Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > There’s a part of me that thinks that his fundamentalist base is in major doublethink mode, simultaneously accepting the parts they like (judges, gay-bashing, etc) as good while seeing, in worst case scenario, the bad man in high office as the anti-Christ, ushering in the long yearned for end times. > > Kid of a win-win for them. If his base could think in any mode, they would not have voted for him in the first place. We are going to have to accept that a full 1/3 of the country are racist morons. Why else would you vote for a racist moron? Oh, the top .1% are going to come out all right I suppose. Understand that the stupid fuck in the White House cares for nothing but his own skin, and then we can move forward. Or just ignore the stupid fucks that voted for him. Then, we can help them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9189 "2019-01-20T21:13:42Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Few years? Is this a whoosh? The man has been a crook for his entire life. It’s all he knows and all he does (however poorly) The statutes of limitation. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9190 "2019-01-20T21:15:13Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > If his base could think in any mode, they would not have voted for him in the first place. We are going to have to accept that a full 1/3 of the country are racist morons. Why else would you vote for a racist moron? Oh, the top .1% are going to come out all right I suppose. > > Understand that the stupid fuck in the White House cares for nothing but his own skin, and then we can move forward. Or just ignore the stupid fucks that voted for him. Then, we can help them. I don’t think they are morons, they have different political views than we, and as most people, do not want to admit they were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9191 "2019-01-20T21:18:19Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > If his base could think in any mode, they would not have voted for him in the first place. We are going to have to accept that a full 1/3 of the country are racist morons. Why else would you vote for a racist moron? Oh, the top .1% are going to come out all right I suppose. > > Understand that the stupid fuck in the White House cares for nothing but his own skin, and then we can move forward. Or just ignore the stupid fucks that voted for him. Then, we can help them. I’ve spent the last two years trying to come to grips with this. Recent evidence says that ignoring the morons isn’t working. They now have Fox news to focus the ignorance into actual malice that effects us all. I don’t have an answer. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9192 "2019-01-20T21:37:39Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t think they are morons, they have different political views than we, and as most people, do not want to admit they were wrong. Those aren’t political views. They are, in essence, voting against themselves. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9193 "2019-01-20T21:41:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The statutes of limitation. Michelangelo did a few. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9194 "2019-01-20T21:55:47Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Those aren’t political views. They are, in essence, voting against themselves. Why aren’t their ideas political views? Being dumb does come into it, for example not realizing that the tax cuts for the middle class expire in a few years. I vote against myself sometimes; a don’t want gun control, but I do want universal health care, I want the wealthy to pay more taxes and I believe that what a woman does to her own body is her own damn business. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9195 "2019-01-20T22:04:51Z")
When you’ve got Rudy on your side, you got nuttin’ to worry about. Oh, wait… [**Giuliani says Trump might have talked to Cohen about his testimony: ‘So what?’**](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/426202-guiliani-says-trump-might-have-talked-to-cohen-about-his-testimony-so) > [@](#): > > President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, on Sunday said that it’s “possible” the president spoke to his former attorney, Michael Cohen, ahead of his congressional testimony. > > “Which would be perfectly normal,” Giuliani said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “So what?” > > “As far as I know, President Trump did not have discussions with him,” he added. “Certainly, no discussions with him in which he told him or counseled him to lie.” > … > > [Giuliani:] "I can tell you his counsel to Michael Cohen throughout that entire period was, ‘Tell the truth.’ We thought he was telling the truth. **I still believe he may have been telling the truth when he testified before Congress,** ” he told host Chuck Todd. > > \*\*Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying to Congress \*\*about plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and signed a plea deal with Mueller’s office. Cohen said he was lying when he told Congress in an August 2017 letter that “the Moscow Project ended in January 2016,” before the Iowa caucuses. According to Cohen, discussions on the project were still happening in June 2016. > … Cohen said he lied, but Rudy thinks he “may have been telling the truth.” Keep talking, Rudy. Don’t ever stop talking. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9196 "2019-01-20T22:43:04Z")
Entertaining? Usually. Appalling? Often. Lawyering? Hardly. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9197 "2019-01-21T01:11:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why aren’t their ideas political views? > > Being dumb does come into it, for example not realizing that the tax cuts for the middle class expire in a few years. > > I vote against myself sometimes; a don’t want gun control, but I do want universal health care, I want the wealthy to pay more taxes and I believe that what a woman does to her own body is her own damn business. Of course. My wife and I are DINKS. But we vote for anything for public education. We vote to increase our own taxes to do so. I am also a gun owner and support gun control. I vote to help everyone. The people that vote for Trump THINK they are voting to help THEMSELVES, when it’s really only going to help Trump. Not only are they uncaring assholes, they’re stupid too. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9198 "2019-01-21T01:30:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I vote to help everyone. Thank you. digs (card-carrying member of Everyone) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9199 "2019-01-21T01:53:30Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Of course. My wife and I are DINKS. But we vote for anything for public education. We vote to increase our own taxes to do so. I am also a gun owner and support gun control. > > I vote to help everyone. > > \ You and I vote exactly the same. There are people who care about the greater good, and people who… don’t. And I also thank you. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9200 "2019-01-21T06:49:36Z")
A [detailed dive](https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/19/peter-carr-speaks/) by emptywheel into the whole Buzzfeed brouhaha and why Mueller may have issued the statement he did, especially given the role of the SDNY FBI office in investigations of Trump, including the likelihood of their being the sources cited in the story. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9201 "2019-01-21T12:32:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Few years? Is this a whoosh? The man has been a crook for his entire life. It’s all he knows and all he does (however poorly) Now, be fair. As an eight-year old millionaire I’m sure he wasn’t a crook yet. He had to be at least ten before he started hustling the other kids out of their lunch money for something promised but never delivered. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9202 "2019-01-21T12:40:25Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Now, be fair. As an **eight-year old** millionaire I’m sure **he wasn’t a crook yet.** He had to be at least ten before he started hustling the other kids out of their lunch money for something promised but never delivered. Based on the whole DACA mess, yes he is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=459) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=461)