# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 465
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9283 "2019-01-26T20:12:48Z")
Rachel Maddow’s A-block last night was about all the people from both the Trump campaign and administration who have lied, constantly, consistently, and without exception about their or others’ contacts with various Russians even though, on the face of it, there was no need for them to lie. Unless you’re selling them intelligence of one sort or another, it’s not illegal for US citizens to talk to Russian citizens. So if you’re lying about talking to them, it does make the rest of us wonder \*why \*you’re lying about talking to them. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9284 "2019-01-26T22:30:59Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Rachel Maddow’s A-block last night was about all the people from both the Trump campaign and administration who have lied, constantly, consistently, and without exception about their or others’ contacts with various Russians even though, on the face of it, there was no need for them to lie. Unless you’re selling them intelligence of one sort or another, it’s not illegal for US citizens to talk to Russian citizens. So if you’re lying about talking to them, it does make the rest of us wonder \*why \*you’re lying about talking to them. I was watching the Journal Editorial Report today and they were discussing Stone. They talked about how all these folks are being indicted or pleading guilty to lying, which is just a “process” crime and none of it has anything to do with conspiracy. But they (and all right-wright pundits) don’t go past that to _why_ everyone felt the need to lie if everything they were doing was legal. They also talked about how stupid and incompetent the campaign folks were that there is no way they could conspire with a dog. I’m not sure they realize how damning this excuse is. If they were so incompetent, then how did they manage to win an election without help? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9285 "2019-01-26T22:53:22Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If he runs, it’s better for those of us wishing that some segment of the population will accept that Trump corruptly worked with foreign intelligence to steal the election, so I vote that Stone runs. And that if he does run, that he go to Russia. What’s in it for Putin to shelter him? Stone’s no longer of any use whatsoever. Might as well put a bullet in him on the tarmac and blame it on Chechen rebels. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9286 "2019-01-26T23:13:22Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > What’s in it for Putin to shelter him? Stone’s no longer of any use whatsoever. Might as well put a bullet in him on the tarmac and blame it on Chechen rebels. “Might as well put a bullet in him…” You misspelled umbrella. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9287 "2019-01-26T23:35:45Z")
No need to get fancy if you have Stone in a “friendly” airport. “Oops! Those darn Chechens.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9288 "2019-01-26T23:36:31Z")
Stone’d better be careful that someone doesn’t slip him a novichoktail. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9289 "2019-01-27T02:43:48Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was watching the Journal Editorial Report today and they were discussing Stone. They talked about how all these folks are being indicted or pleading guilty to lying, which is just a “process” crime and none of it has anything to do with conspiracy. But they (and all right-wright pundits) don’t go past that to _why_ everyone felt the need to lie if everything they were doing was legal. > > They also talked about how stupid and incompetent the campaign folks were that there is no way they could conspire with a dog. I’m not sure they realize how damning this excuse is. If they were so incompetent, then how did they manage to win an election without help? Donno. But if the cops come a knocking, it’s best not to tell them “Don’t look in the garage”. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9290 "2019-01-27T03:11:57Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was watching the Journal Editorial Report today and they were discussing Stone. They talked about how all these folks are being indicted or pleading guilty to lying, which is just a “process” crime and none of it has anything to do with conspiracy. But they (and all right-wright pundits) don’t go past that to _why_ everyone felt the need to lie if everything they were doing was legal. I think the line is something along the lines of these poor victims being interrogated so long and so harshly that they inevitably get flustered and contradict themselves on some minor point, which then gets blown up and trumpeted as lies, with trumped up (pun intended) charges of lying to law enforcement following. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9291 "2019-01-27T03:15:09Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > What’s in it for Putin to shelter him? Stone’s no longer of any use whatsoever. Might as well put a bullet in him on the tarmac and blame it on Chechen rebels. He won’t and that’s not what will happen. I’m just saying that it would be great for the rest of us if it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9292 "2019-01-27T05:11:12Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > We can switch it up. Waterboard one day, thumb screws the next, branding the following, etc. And the iron maiden! Mustn’t forget her. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9293 "2019-01-27T05:18:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And the iron maiden! Mustn’t forget her. Nancy’s busy running the government. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9294 "2019-01-27T12:23:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The _Gray Lady_ has [a delightful, active graphic](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/26/us/politics/trump-contacts-russians-wikileaks.html) detailing all the Russian/wikileaks contacts of almost everyone involved. That’s so good. Everyone needs to see it, even though it’s technically not reporting anything new. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9295 "2019-01-27T12:47:09Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And the iron maiden! Mustn’t forget her. And after the spanking, the oral sex! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9296 "2019-01-27T13:18:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “The indictment of Roger Stone makes clear that there was a deliberate, coordinated attempt by top Trump campaign officials to influence the 2016 election and subvert the will of the American people. It is staggering that the President has chosen to surround himself with people who violated the integrity of our democracy and lied to the FBI and Congress about it. > > “In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially? Why has the Trump Administration continued to discuss pulling the U.S. out of NATO, which would be a massive victory for Putin? > > “Lying to Congress and witness tampering constitute grave crimes. All who commit these illegal acts should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We cannot allow any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from appearing before Congress. > > “The Special Counsel investigation is working, and the House will continue to exercise our constitutional oversight responsibility and ensure that the Special Counsel investigation can continue free from interference from the White House.” " What is really staggering, is all those people who are OK with all this. They support and defend it. Traitors. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9297 "2019-01-27T13:21:36Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was watching the Journal Editorial Report today and they were discussing Stone. They talked about how all these folks are being indicted or pleading guilty to lying, which is **just** a “process” crime and none of it has anything to do with conspiracy. But they (and all right-wright pundits) don’t go past that to _why_ everyone felt the need to lie if everything they were doing was legal. > > They also talked about how stupid and incompetent the campaign folks were that there is no way they could conspire with a dog. I’m not sure they realize how damning this excuse is. If they were so incompetent, then how did they manage to win an election without help? They are lying, full of shit, partisan traitor assholes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9298 "2019-01-27T13:23:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > What a relief, to finally see someone in government speaking the truth in a forthright manner. > > It’s an important message to our allies, too. A good one, at last. > > But Lordy, it’s about to all become far more chaotic… the gloves are off. And the best part is, Devin Nunes can’t do nuthin’ about it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9299 "2019-01-27T13:25:28Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > What’s in it for Putin to shelter him? Stone’s no longer of any use whatsoever. Might as well put a bullet in him on the tarmac and blame it on Chechen rebels. Yeah. For Putin, the cleanest, cheapest, most expedient thing would be to kill him – arrange an “accident” or just shoot him and blame it on some “radical fringe splinter group”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9300 "2019-01-27T13:26:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And the best part is, Devin Nunes can’t do nuthin’ about it. I hope Meuller and the Dem House investigation panels are planning something for him too. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9301 "2019-01-27T13:29:34Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was watching the Journal Editorial Report today and they were discussing Stone. They talked about how all these folks are being indicted or pleading guilty to lying, which is just a “process” crime and none of it has anything to do with conspiracy. But they (and all right-wright pundits) don’t go past that to _why_ everyone felt the need to lie if everything they were doing was legal. > > They also talked about how stupid and incompetent the campaign folks were that there is no way they could conspire with a dog. I’m not sure they realize how damning this excuse is. If they were so incompetent, then how did they manage to win an election without help? I had to check out Fox News snippets to see how the other side was digesting the news and “process crime” seems to be the phrase du jour. Roger Stone mentioned it and Jerome Corsi used essentially the same language. Fox News’ Gregg Jarrett tried to sell it too. Alan Dershowitz appeared less enthusiastic about pitching that angle but he was ranting about how heavy handed the FBI tactics were in raiding Stone’s house. Dersh has been a Fox News fanboy as of late, but it’s interesting because if you read between the lines, you can kinda tell where the line of demarcation between bullshit analysis and reality lies when you see what he will or won’t agree with when it comes to his co-hosts’ legal analysis. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9302 "2019-01-27T13:34:39Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I hope Meuller and the Dem House investigation panels are planning something for him too. Agreed. I don’t think they should stop with the White House; the entire Republican party (and Jill Stein) need to be investigated for their affiliations with Russian oligarchs. This also applies to grassroots organizations like the NRA. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=464) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=466)