# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/921 "2017-12-01T19:35:38Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Reports that it was Trump himself. Notable that this report is from [Foxnews](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-charged-in-special-counsels-russia-investigation.html). Time to go long on popcorn futures. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/922 "2017-12-01T19:38:18Z")
Just in case it’s not already absolutely clear - believe me, folks, believe me - I want Trump impeached more than anybody. Nobody wants the orange one impeached more badly than I do, believe me. But…I think we’re getting excited too soon. As this October WaPo article explains, “collusion” itself is not really a crime. Only crimes are crimes. There have to be specific statues violated. My guess is that a lot of people are gonna go down for (stupidly) providing false testimony to federal investigators - Flynn’s probably the start. Kush might be next considering how littered with omissions his background investigation form is. But beyond that, a real bombshell would have to involve things like wire transfers. > **[Opinion | What it really means to say the Trump campaign ‘colluded’ with Russia](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/10/31/what-it-really-means-to-say-the-trump-campaign-colluded-with-russia/?utm_term=.965a446dec5d)** > > We are just going to have to wait. Perhaps the most serious damage that Mueller can cause the president is the cumulative damage that comes with an entire White House staff full of people in legal jeopardy and afraid to talk to one another. I could see that causing paralysis, potentially. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/923 "2017-12-01T19:52:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > ABC is reporting Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to contact Russians. No link. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fox News is calling it “A transition team member”, apparently afraid to claim it’s Trump itself. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/924 "2017-12-01T19:58:44Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Someone at ABC had the same info – that Trump was the one who directed Flynn to contact the Russians. > > Meanwhile, I see a news item where the WH has cancelled a scheduled photop op in the Oval Office with Trump and the Libyan PM. Guess he isn’t up to talking to the media right now. Ever truthful and honest, paragons of integrity that this bunch are, his handlers are now telling reporters that there never was a photo op scheduled and it was all a mistake. Oceania had _always_ been at war with Eurasia. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/925 "2017-12-01T20:02:28Z")
Right wing “pastor” Rick Joyner says that ABC reporting on the Flynn news makes them a terrorist organization. > **[Rick Joyner Suggests ABC News Is 'A Terrorist Organization' For Reporting...](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-joyner-suggests-abc-news-is-a-terrorist-organization-for-reporting-fake-news-about-flynns-willingness-to-testify-against-trump/)** > > Right-wing pastor Rick Joyner posted a video on Facebook today in which he responded to reports that Michael Flynn, President Trump's former national ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/926 "2017-12-01T20:03:19Z")
[NBC is saying it’s Jared.](https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/936683393072488449) ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/927 "2017-12-01T20:05:10Z")
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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/928 "2017-12-01T20:05:35Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [NBC is saying it’s Jared.](https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/936683393072488449) “My idiot son-in-law? Never cared much for that guy. We pretty much only talk at holidays and when the grandkids are over.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/929 "2017-12-01T20:05:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … There have to be specific statues violated … If it’s a statue of a comely female, Trump probably at least groped her, if that counts. But your point is taken. I just think there’s so much malfeasance in that whole gang from top to bottom that it makes Nixon’s White House with Haldeman and Ehrichman look like saints in comparison. And that has to reflect on the top guy who appointed them all and directed them all. I don’t think the tipping point needs to be finding a prosecutable criminal offense to pin on Trump, because the Senate has wide latitude to define an impeachable offense however they want. I think the tipping point is for this whole investigation to become big enough that it renders the administration totally dysfunctional and obsessed with defending themselves, just as happened with Watergate. At some point people get fed up and Congress critters start to see where their best interests lie. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/930 "2017-12-01T20:07:11Z")
There’s been a bit of chatter that the stock market tanked on the news of the Flynn plea deal. I don’t buy it. The story broke somewhere around 9:15am, and the Dow kinda bounced around yesterday’s close until about 11:10, when it abruptly dropped by over 200 points. What happened at 11:10? McConnell said he had 50 votes for the tax bill. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/931 "2017-12-01T20:08:47Z")
Good thing Fridays are such slow news days, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/932 "2017-12-01T20:56:04Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [NBC is saying it’s Jared.](https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/936683393072488449) Jared Kushner, [who can’t pass his security clearance exam](http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-security-clearance-white-house-access-ivanka-donald-trump-723993), and who [was interviewed again by the Mueller team](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/us/politics/mueller-jared-kushner-russia.html) last month? I wonder why Flynn would want to throw Jared under the bus … ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/933 "2017-12-01T21:01:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Now _that_’s the way to kick off December! > > _Deck the halls with more indictments, fa la la la la la la la la!_ Ahem. _“Deck the HALL.”_ That is all. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/934 "2017-12-01T21:04:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Ahem. > > _“Deck the HALL.”_ > > That is all. We’re going to need a bigger hall. Or should that be haul? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/935 "2017-12-01T21:11:51Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Do Fox have any good options ? > [@enipla](#): > > Report the news? As if. Do you think it’s still 1962? The dawn of profitable television “news” divisions still in our future? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/936 "2017-12-01T21:15:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > No, a person can be pardoned anytime. (even after they’re dead, I think) > > But, the sworn testimony is still the sworn testimony. The pardon doesn’t erase it. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But that defeats the purpose of pardoning him as far as Trump is concerned, no? Nah. As far as the America-hating fuckstick is concerned, the purpose of pardoning someone is so he can say: _“Fuck you judiciary! You do NOT get to punish someone who likes ME!”_ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/937 "2017-12-01T21:17:56Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I wonder why Flynn would want to throw Jared under the bus … Other than possibly Ivanka, who _wouldn’t_ want to throw Jared Kushner under the bus? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/938 "2017-12-01T21:19:36Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Nah. As far as the America-hating fuckstick is concerned, the purpose of pardoning someone is so he can say: _“Fuck you judiciary! You do NOT get to punish someone who likes ME!”_ He has absolutely no loyalty to anyone whose usefulness to him has expired. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/939 "2017-12-01T21:21:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Other than possibly Ivanka, who _wouldn’t_ want to throw Jared Kushner under the bus? 😛 Punch his face, _then_ shove him under the bus. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/940 "2017-12-01T21:25:49Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Meanwhile, I see a news item where the WH has cancelled a scheduled photop op in the Oval Office with Trump and the Libyan PM. Guess he isn’t up to talking to the media right now. Ever truthful and honest, paragons of integrity that this bunch are, his handlers are now telling reporters that there never was a photo op scheduled and it was all a mistake. [Heh.](http://www.statemaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Stonewalldb.gif) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=48)