# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 477
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9523 "2019-02-16T21:53:04Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bolding mine. While his everyday basic real estate and other crimes are serious (Trump U). Treason is sort of serious shit. Best not to have a traitor in the White House. > > I don’t generally agree to make an example of someone’s crimes to deter others, but in this case, we should. If we don’t, every crook and con-man will just try to get elected to avoid legal trouble and enrich themselves. In theory, the electorate should have some sort of say in that. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > That would be telling. > > Nevertheless, now the song will be stuck in your head for the rest of your life. Ricin has about the same time to act as the life of an earworm? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9524 "2019-02-16T21:58:32Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > He should get a tattoo of Nixon on his back for protection. [Steve-O’s Prison Sex Avoidance Tattoo](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/76/0c/00/760c00d1e678a07025ae05fef64e4231.jpg?b=t) is his own huge face taking up his whole back and underneath it says “yeah dude, i rock!”. Genius. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9525 "2019-02-17T06:23:52Z")
Mueller tells the court he has evidence of Roger Stone colluding with WikiLeaks. [Special counsel prosecutors say they have communications of Stone with WikiLeaks | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/politics/roger-stone-wikileaks/index.html)? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9526 "2019-02-18T00:54:32Z")
Mueller has now subpoenaed Brittany Kaiser, the former business development director for Cambridge Analytica, the defunct Trump-campaign-linked data firm. Kaiser is the second former employee from Cambridge Analytica to be drawn into Mueller’s probe. “Defunct” meaning it apparently existed JUST long enough to help Putin and Trump. The “data firm”, which once had former Trump strategist Steve Bannon as its vice president, worked on President Trump’s 2016 campaign. Cambridge Analytica, launched with the help of Republican megadonors Robert and Rebekah Mercer, also worked with advocates of the United Kingdom’s departure from the European Union, resulting in interest from British parliamentary opponents. Another one, Republican lobbyist Sam Patten already pleaded guilty in August to violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act—and part of his agreement was that he cooperate with the Mueller probe. Which helped pave the way to Cambridge Analytica. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9527 "2019-02-18T16:00:40Z")
Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) > [@](#): > > …he and others believed they were working for a president who might have conspired with Russia to betray this country. There must not be one scintilla of evidence of this; otherwise, special counsel Robert Mueller surely would have taken steps long before now to rid the nation of such a dangerous commander-in-chief. You people are fucked in the head. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9528 "2019-02-18T16:03:00Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! > > Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. > > From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) > > You people are fucked in the head. :smack: Thank you for that insightful analysis. [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9529 "2019-02-18T16:16:44Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! > > Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. > > From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) > > You people are fucked in the head. :smack: Fascinating insight. Who specifically, pray tell, are these “powers that be” that Mr. Mueller so wants to appease? Name names, if you please. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9530 "2019-02-18T16:19:28Z")
Nothingberder! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9531 "2019-02-18T16:21:44Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! > > Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. The [Starr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report) investigation score: Time 4 years, indictments 0. The [Mueller](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury) investigation score: Time 2 years, indictments 37 (and counting). I am no fan of the Clintons but the difference is telling. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9532 "2019-02-18T16:23:47Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! > > Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. > > From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) > > You people are fucked in the head. :smack: I have this vision of a bunch of Mueller peoples sitting around a big conference table with piles of papers in front of them. Mueller asks what the first person has done this week and the answer is something along the lines of, “well, I looked into \_\_\_\_ and that led me to \_\_\_ and \_\_\_ and now I’m investigating \_\_\_ and \_\_\_ and \_\_\_ and \_\_\_.” “Any idea when you’ll finish up?” asks Mr. Mueller. “Well, if we farm the \_\_\_ investigation and all it’s children off to \_\_\_ State investigators, and the \_\_\_ investigation and it’s fifteen children don’t lead to any further side investigations, maybe in a year?” “Next?” “Same answer, sir” Times about 20. After which they all put their heads down and sob. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9533 "2019-02-18T16:25:13Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Nothingberder! With fries! ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9534 "2019-02-18T16:27:07Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) Opinion piece \<\> article ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9535 "2019-02-18T16:44:44Z")
Nice to see the arrival of Derp to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9536 "2019-02-18T16:46:34Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > The [Starr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report) investigation score: Time 4 years, indictments 0. The [Mueller](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury) investigation score: Time 2 years, indictments 37 (and counting). I am no fan of the Clintons but the difference is telling. And remember that every conservative’s safe word is “Benghazi.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9537 "2019-02-18T16:53:16Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > The [Starr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report) investigation score: Time 4 years, indictments 0. The [Mueller](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury) investigation score: Time 2 years, indictments 37 (and counting). I am no fan of the Clintons but the difference is telling. And then there are the associated guilty pleas. I wonder why **BeenJammin** seems to have forgotten to mention any of that? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9538 "2019-02-18T16:58:45Z")
So far it isn’t Trump directly, so Democrats are fucked, or some other dumb shit. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9539 "2019-02-18T16:59:52Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Totally get why this thread seems to exist in perpetuity. Of course it goes right along with the ongoing investigation, and provides no end of entertainment for the anti-Trumpists! Good for you! > > Yet I sometimes wonder if anyone posting here is actually smart enough to realize just how wholly irrational and counterproductive this thing is, overall. Mueller is running out the clock to demonstrate his own relevance, justify his paycheck and appease the powers-that-be, regardless of the outcome. > > From a [recent Hill article:](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430318-mccabes-shocking-claims-prove-the-bloodless-coup-rolls-on) > > > [@](#): > > > > …he and others believed they were working for a president who might have conspired with Russia to betray this country. There must not be one scintilla of evidence of this; otherwise, special counsel Robert Mueller surely would have taken steps long before now to rid the nation of such a dangerous commander-in-chief. > > You people are fucked in the head. :smack: Or, Mueller wants a case so ironclad not even the most delusional MAGAer can deny it (although, cue the “Deep State” is out to get Trump cries). Thought experiment: A decent percentage of Trump supporters believe him over any other source of information, even their favorite news source like Fox News (saw a recent poll about this somewhere). What would happen if Trump himself admitted to his base that he actively and directly colluded with Putin? I’ll bet there would be some that justify this with their go-to talking point by saying “But, Hillary…[insert whatever conspiracy theory]” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9540 "2019-02-18T17:01:23Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Opinion piece \<\> article You dare question the journalistic bona fides of FRANCEY HAKES, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR, and by extension, the impartiality of our own **BeenJammin**? You, sir, are nearly as despicable as Robert Mueller and his rogue’s gallery of Deep State traitors! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9541 "2019-02-18T17:09:34Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > And then there are the associated guilty pleas. I wonder why **BeenJammin** seems to have forgotten to mention any of that? Do you \*seriously \*wonder that? Surely not. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9542 "2019-02-18T17:26:08Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You dare question the journalistic bona fides of FRANCEY HAKES, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR, and by extension, the impartiality of our own **BeenJammin**? You, sir, are nearly as despicable as Robert Mueller and his rogue’s gallery of Deep State traitors! As I tell my children when I enforce the cruel realities of homework having to be completed before TV and electronics: “I am a horrible person. I have come to accept this about myself and have learned to live with it.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=476) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=478)