# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 478
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9543 "2019-02-18T18:52:39Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You, sir, are nearly as despicable as Robert Mueller and his rogue’s gallery of Deep State traitors! Nitpick, but aren’t they more of a motley crew? I don’t think a mere gallery of rogues could arrange for such a symphony of fake indictments, fake confessions, fake jail terms, fake evidence, fake paper trails and so on. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9544 "2019-02-18T19:09:03Z")
Motley? Positively doughty, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9545 "2019-02-18T19:20:57Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > And then there are the associated guilty pleas. I wonder why **BeenJammin** seems to have forgotten to mention any of that? I thought they were after Trump? You know - #1 guy? Sorry if I’m not trying hard enough… How delusional do you have to be to NOT believe this level of investigative scrutiny would not turn up similar shenanigans from a similar group of Dems? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9546 "2019-02-18T19:22:48Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? They’re after the facts. So far, the investigation has uncovered a lot of criminal activity. Whether it leads to Trump or not remains to be seen. It has, however, established a pattern of lying by Trump about all things Russian. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9547 "2019-02-18T19:28:21Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’ll bet there would be some that justify this with their go-to talking point by saying “But, Hillary…[insert whatever conspiracy theory]” Fuck Hillary, and fuck all the distractions too. Furthermore, how delusional do you have to be to believe Trump is NOT just a GOP patsy, with literally no fucking idea what they are doing to/with him, right from the start? ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9548 "2019-02-18T19:36:30Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? Not explicitly. The Special Counsel’s investigation is into possible Russian interference with the 2016 election and possible links or coordination with the Trump campaign. Naive foreigner here, but I would have thought that every American would want to know if a foreign power had tried (and potentially succeeded) to tilt the pinball table of US politics. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9549 "2019-02-18T19:38:40Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > Naive foreigner here, but I would have thought that every American would want to know if a foreign power had tried (and potentially succeeded) to tilt the pinball table of US politics. That was blatantly obvious to EVERYONE for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9550 "2019-02-18T19:39:44Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > …how delusional do you have to be to believe Trump is NOT just a GOP patsy, with literally no fucking idea what they are doing to/with him, right from the start? If the POTUS is a patsy, surrounded by unscrupulous criminals, then don’t you want them investigated and brought to justice? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9551 "2019-02-18T19:39:58Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > Not explicitly. Explicitly? Does every bit of paperwork coming out of the executive branch need be on Trump letterhead? Jesus fucking h-christ. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9552 "2019-02-18T19:41:05Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > If the POTUS is a patsy, surrounded by unscrupulous criminals, then don’t you want them investigated and brought to justice? 😕 Still watching, waiting. Maybe I’m just too impatient? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9553 "2019-02-18T19:44:15Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Still watching, waiting. Maybe I’m just too impatient? 😕 Impatient, stupid and dishonest is no way to go through life. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9554 "2019-02-18T19:45:05Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > That was blatantly obvious to EVERYONE for quite some time. Wait, so you’re certain there was interference, and the indictments and pleas show there were links with the Trump campaign… we’re just arguing over whether Trump himself was a willing participant or a clueless patsy?! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9555 "2019-02-18T19:48:47Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? You know - #1 guy? Sorry if I’m not trying hard enough… > > How delusional do you have to be to NOT believe this level of investigative scrutiny would not turn up similar shenanigans from a similar group of Dems? Dude. The Russians interfered with our election, at least if you believe he unanimous opinion if US intelligence agencies, along with pretty much every Congress person. His campaign manager is facing life in prison for a variety of crimes, including the revelation that he was passing information to the Russkies. Roger Stone was communicating with Wiki Leaks, specifically about the hacked DNC data. And sooo much more. Maybe Trump will ultimately be cleared, who knows? But you can take your “both sides are just as bad” ignorance and kindly ram it up your ass. Remember the Benghazi investigations? All seven of them? Zero indictments. Remember the Clinton impeachment? A blow job, a disbarring, but no revelation of a while crowd of criminal conspirators. You think they would not have loved to have pinned something on Obama? The dude was squeaky clean besides smoking. Big whoop. I am going to ask you to either pull your head out of your ass or fuck off. Need answer fast. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9556 "2019-02-18T19:52:24Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? You know - #1 guy? Sorry if I’m not trying hard enough… > > How delusional do you have to be to NOT believe this level of investigative scrutiny would not turn up similar shenanigans from a similar group of Dems? As in the level of scrutiny Clinton and her husband were under from 1992-onwards, including special counsels, Congressional investigations, impeachment proceedings, Benghazi (11 times, that!), emails, Uranium, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Nannygate (never ending, that one!), etc, etc, etc? To anwer your question, “yes”, we have been there, done that with “a similar group of Dems”, and “no”, you guys came up with nothing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9557 "2019-02-18T19:52:39Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? You know - #1 guy? Sorry if I’m not trying hard enough… Well, acceptance is an important part of the healing process. 🙂 Here you are only showing that you are not aware of the original reasons for the Muller investigation. > **[Mueller special counsel investigation | Reasons for appointing a special counsel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)#Reasons_for_appointing_a_special_counsel)** > > The special counsel appointment on May 17, 2017, came after protests, mostly from Democrats, over President Trump firing the FBI Director James Comey on May 9, 2017. In Congress, in reaction to Comey's firing, over 130 Democratic lawmakers called for a special counsel to be appointed, over 80 Democratic lawmakers called for an independent investigation, while over 40 Republican lawmakers expressed questions or concerns. Complicating the situation, Comey arranged to leak to the press c The New Yor... > [@](#): > > (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: > (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and > (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and > (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). > > (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. > [@BeenJammin](#): > > How delusional do you have to be to NOT believe this level of investigative scrutiny would not turn up similar shenanigans from a similar group of Dems? Funny that you mention that, [‘since 1969, Republican presidential administrations have 121 criminal indictments and 89 convictions, while Democrats have had 3 and 1 respectively.’](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-presidencies-have-91x-the-convictions-rate_us_5a3d5406e4b0df0de8b064e5) So, yes; you are not trying enough. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9558 "2019-02-18T20:00:28Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Furthermore, how delusional do you have to be to believe Trump is NOT just a GOP patsy, \ You’ve seen some of the people interviewed at Trump rallies, right? One segment on _The Daily Show_ had a supporter complaining that Obama wasn’t in the Oval Office on 9/11 to take charge of the crisis (because he was probably playing golf?). Check out these delusional Trump supporters: [Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse - Conspiracy Theories Thrive at a Trump Rally: The Daily Show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9559 "2019-02-18T20:22:16Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > You think they would not have loved to have pinned something on Obama? The dude was squeaky clean besides smoking. _cough_ Tan suit _cough_ ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9560 "2019-02-18T20:41:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > _cough_ Tan suit _cough_ Never forget the tan suit!!! Treasonous!!! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9561 "2019-02-18T20:48:26Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > _cough_ Tan suit _cough_ > [@dasmoocher](#): > > Never forget the tan suit!!! > > Treasonous!!! And he wore the tan suit on 9/11! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9562 "2019-02-18T20:50:13Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I thought they were after Trump? You know - #1 guy? Sorry if I’m not trying hard enough… > > How delusional do you have to be to NOT believe this level of investigative scrutiny would not turn up similar shenanigans from a similar group of Dems? How many indictments have resulted from the multiple Hillary and Obama investigations? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=477) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=479)