# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 488
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9743 "2019-02-27T14:30:57Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ve seen too many footballs yanked away at the last minute to believe that Cohen is going to give that statement but if he does actually give it as written under oath - and provides the documentation referred to - we might be nearing the tipping point for Trump. Especially if the Committee invites the President to come give his response under oath as well. > > Funnily enough, the stuff most likely to set Trump off - again, assuming this is the statement Cohen gives - are the things that aren’t illegal, like suggesting that he lies about his worth and his grades. Rep Jackie Speier (D-CA) on NPR this morning, said that if Cohen’s testimony is as explosive as she thinks it will be, it’s the first step towards impeachment. Yes, she used the “I”-word in public. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9744 "2019-02-27T15:18:25Z")
I started [a new thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=871551) on the hearing so there’s not commentary going on in multiple threads. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9745 "2019-02-27T15:42:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I started [a new thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=871551) on the hearing so there’s not commentary going on in multiple threads. Good move! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9746 "2019-02-27T16:03:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ve seen too many footballs yanked away at the last minute to believe that Cohen is going to give that statement but if he does actually give it as written under oath - and provides the documentation referred to - we might be nearing the tipping point for Trump. Especially if the Committee invites the President to come give his response under oath as well. > > Funnily enough, the stuff most likely to set Trump off - again, assuming this is the statement Cohen gives - are the things that aren’t illegal, like suggesting that he lies about his worth and his grades. The football appears to have been solidly kicked. Here’s hoping for a field goal. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9747 "2019-02-27T16:25:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I started [a new thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=871551) on the hearing so there’s not commentary going on in multiple threads. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Good move! Sure, but with this crowd, there’s probably a little bit of futility in that good move. 😃 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9748 "2019-02-27T20:20:16Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Just a congressman intimidating a witness. Or another Tuesday in Trump world. > > [https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1100503846386835456?ref\_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1100503846386835456&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforumserver.twoplustwo.com%2F41%2Fpolitics%2Fpresidency-donald-j-trump-state-emergency-1731987%2Findex365.html](https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1100503846386835456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1100503846386835456&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforumserver.twoplustwo.com%2F41%2Fpolitics%2Fpresidency-donald-j-trump-state-emergency-1731987%2Findex365.html) > > We really need to come up with new words because scumbag, asshole, etc. are just not enough any more for these folks. Matt Gaetz Under Investigation By Florida State Bar Over Michael Cohen Threat > [@](#): > > The Florida Bar has opened an investigation into whether Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) violated professional conduct rules by threatening former Trump fixer Michael Cohen ahead of Cohen’s congressional testimony on Wednesday. > > The organization, which licenses lawyers to practice in the state, would not disclose details of the investigation, but spokesperson Francine Walker, said the bar is “quite aware of [Gaetz’s] comments…and we have opened an investigation.” > > “If rules have been violated, The Florida Bar will vigorously pursue appropriate discipline by the Florida Supreme Court,” Walker said in a statement. “The Florida Bar takes its responsibility of regulating lawyer conduct very seriously.” > **[Matt Gaetz Under Investigation by Florida State Bar Over Michael Cohen Threat](https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-gaetz-under-investigation-by-florida-state-bar-over-michael-cohen-threat)** > > The Florida congressman tells The Daily Beast he is unaware of the inquiry. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9749 "2019-02-27T21:33:15Z")
Roger Stone just commented on Cohen’s testimony. Doesn’t that void his gag order? > **[Roger Stone Says Cohen Lied to Congress About WikiLeaks](https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-says-cohen-lied-to-congress-about-wikileaks)** > > “Mr. Cohen’s statement is not true,” Stone texted The Daily Beast. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9750 "2019-02-27T22:02:49Z")
Oh god I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9751 "2019-02-27T22:55:39Z")
From your own cite, Rick Kitchen > [@](#): > > Ken White, a First Amendment lawyer, said Stone is likely on safe ground. “Judge Jackson’s revised gag order permits Roger Stone to state his innocence,” White said. “Saying that a specific accusation is not true probably falls into that category. If not, it would highlight that the gag order is too ambiguous to be effective or enforceable." ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9752 "2019-02-28T06:48:12Z")
I hate Trump as much as anyone. My distaste goes back before Apprentice, birtherism, or his run for president. I hated his tarted-up Trump tower bespoilling Manhattan. But, the hush money payments seem like weak sauce. If you are in the public eye it just makes sense to hush up scandals. It seems like a very technical violation of campaign finance law. It pales in comparison to changing the Republican platform to remove objections to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, or having real estate dealings with Russia while you are running, or conspiring to submit false statements to Congress, or that fucking hair. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9753 "2019-02-28T16:22:57Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > From your own cite, Rick Kitchen IANAL (I just work for one) but were I Roger Codger’s mouthpiece I would _not_ want to test the parameters of what Judge Jackson considers “effective or enforceable.” > [@Batano](#): > > But, the hush money payments seem like weak sauce. If you are in the public eye it just makes sense to hush up scandals. It seems like a very technical violation of campaign finance law. Not throwing shade on you, bro, but if you are in the public eye it just makes sense to _ **not cheat on your wife with a porn star.** _ (Not thowing shade on anyone in the adult entertainment industry either). “Technical violations” are what get people who try to skirt around fiduciary laws and regulations. Al Capone got sent up for “technical violations.” Yeah, weak sauce compared to some of Orange Julius Caesar’s other reproachful malfeasance. But it’s a start. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9754 "2019-02-28T16:23:02Z")
> [@Batano](#): > > I hate Trump as much as anyone. My distaste goes back before Apprentice, birtherism, or his run for president. I hated his tarted-up Trump tower bespoilling Manhattan. > > But, the hush money payments seem like weak sauce. If you are in the public eye it just makes sense to hush up scandals. It seems like a very technical violation of campaign finance law. > > It pales in comparison to changing the Republican platform to remove objections to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, or having real estate dealings with Russia while you are running, or conspiring to submit false statements to Congress, or that fucking hair. Well, I guess we could invent a new board game-- arranging thump’s offenses in order of… of what? Merely distasteful and boorish all the way to “demands a prison sentence!” but just short of “needs hangin’.” We could have them out in time for Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9755 "2019-02-28T16:39:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, I guess we could invent a new board game-- arranging thump’s offenses in order of… of what? Merely distasteful and boorish all the way to “demands a prison sentence!” but just short of “needs hangin’.” We could have them out in time for Christmas. It probably should be an electronic/PC/Xbox/etc game - it needs to have the ability for on the fly updates (I believe the kids call it DLC) to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9756 "2019-02-28T18:26:44Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > … Orange Julius Caesar … Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9757 "2019-03-01T04:32:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, I guess we could invent a new board game-- arranging thump’s offenses in order of… of what? Merely distasteful and boorish all the way to “demands a prison sentence!” but just short of “needs hangin’.” We could have them out in time for Christmas. 2 or 3 dimensions. One for distasteful and boorish and the other for criminal, maybe dementia for the third? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9758 "2019-03-01T06:21:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, I guess we could invent a new board game-- arranging thump’s offenses in order of… of what? Merely distasteful and boorish all the way to “demands a prison sentence!” but just short of “needs hangin’.” We could have them out in time for Christmas. Or you could play [Monopoly – Trump Edition](https://scontent.fbos1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52883875_3218070534873101_9038856002685894656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fbos1-2.fna&oh=a74f2ad36b052488198720018159f315&oe=5CE39946) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9759 "2019-03-01T09:24:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, I guess we could invent a new board game-- arranging thump’s offenses in order of… of what? Merely distasteful and boorish all the way to “demands a prison sentence!” but just short of “needs hangin’.” We could have them out in time for Christmas. > [@Folacin](#): > > It probably should be an electronic/PC/Xbox/etc game - it needs to have the ability for on the fly updates (I believe the kids call it DLC) to keep up. > [@Darryl\_Lict](#): > > 2 or 3 dimensions. One for distasteful and boorish and the other for criminal, maybe dementia for the third? I like the multi-dimensional approach. One dimension for criminal behavior. Another one for civil offenses (tax evasion, failure to honor contracts, etc.). A third for immoral but not technically illegal behavior (pussy-grabbing?). There should probably be an entire dimension devoted to just lying every freakin’ time he opens his mouth. Another catch-all one for being a disgusting, pathetic, repulsive human being. Thinking about the places where these dimensions intersect and reinforce each other-- this could be a blockbuster game. Soon to be a major motion picture. Better get busy with those designs. Christmas is only nine months away. We could probably get a good deal on having them manufactured in China or Korea. 😉 > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Or you could play [Monopoly – Trump Edition](https://scontent.fbos1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52883875_3218070534873101_9038856002685894656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fbos1-2.fna&oh=a74f2ad36b052488198720018159f315&oe=5CE39946) This is beautiful. Succinct, uncluttered (Marie Kondo approach-- does it spark joy in you? It does in me). Gets right to the point. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9760 "2019-03-01T12:12:14Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Or you could play [Monopoly – Trump Edition](https://scontent.fbos1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52883875_3218070534873101_9038856002685894656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fbos1-2.fna&oh=a74f2ad36b052488198720018159f315&oe=5CE39946) I love t, but it needed one of the Chance cards face up, the “Go to jail / go directly to jail / do not pass Go / do not collect $200” one. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9761 "2019-03-01T15:01:41Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I love t, but it needed one of the Chance cards face up, the “Go to jail / go directly to jail / do not pass Go / do not collect $200” one. How about _"Go to jail / go directly to jail / do not pass Go / do not collect $200…_\* in fact, you OWE $200!"\*\*\* 😃 Which he would never pay, of course. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9762 "2019-03-01T15:08:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > How about _"Go to jail / go directly to jail / do not pass Go / do not collect $200…_\* in fact, you OWE $200!"\*\*\* > > 😃 > > Which he would never pay, of course. _"Go to jail / go directly to jail / do not pass Go / do not collect $200…_\* in fact, you OWE $200! (Which you don’t really have, do you, you loser? SAD!!!)"\*\*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=487) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=489)