# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 494
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9863 "2019-03-05T19:19:34Z")
No, it’s more that he’s President _already_, so… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9864 "2019-03-05T19:22:05Z")
… so you wish he’d catch a bad cold, is that all? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9865 "2019-03-05T19:39:08Z")
I’m beginning to think that the Democratic strategy is not to try to remove Trump from office before 2020; that’s a fool’s errand without the GOP on board, and it would give the GOP something to rally around. So, between now and then, they are going to lay bare the rot at the core of the Republican party, and unless the GOP starts begging them to impeach, which is admittedly unlikely, they are going to make the case that the Republican party has morphed into a bunch of tax and spend racist lunatics centered around protecting a crime family. And as more and more evidence comes out, they get to point to Republicans and say, “Sure, we think he shouldn’t be president for obvious reasons, but the Republican party is protecting him and unless we get them to see reality, there’s nothing that we can do alone. So, vote Democrat.” It’s not ideal to have a psychopath as president for two years being the only downside to this plan… ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9866 "2019-03-05T20:30:59Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Only by gnawing a leg off. 😃 Now if Trump’s intestines would just [take a cue](https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Grunthos_the_Flatulent) from Grunthos the Flatulent’s … ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9867 "2019-03-05T20:37:17Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Well, we don’t know how long Trump rambles on to that guy he sees in the White House bathroom mirror. The one that’s always talking over him and won’t listen. Maybe we do, and maybe we have also puzzled out what is meant by “Executive Time”. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9868 "2019-03-06T00:13:14Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Now if Trump’s intestines would just [take a cue](https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Grunthos_the_Flatulent) from Grunthos the Flatulent’s … My Gawd… Douglas Adams called it, forty years ago. Now, decades after his death, we see it… Donald Trump is doing Vogon poetry. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9869 "2019-03-06T01:06:07Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I doubt that Indiana wants him… Lord, he can’t go back there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9870 "2019-03-06T06:38:29Z")
Hoosier Daddy! ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9871 "2019-03-06T08:48:55Z")
Hey…I’m a Hoosier, born and raised! What I ever do to you guys? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9872 "2019-03-06T13:54:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Two hours listening to Trump? Anyone survive? Survive, hell, they lapped it up with a spoon and begged for more. As I’ve said before, Trump’s base has eroded as much as it is going to; Democrats in 2020 need to woo the indifferent, not try to win over the MAGAts. That way lies madness. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9873 "2019-03-06T15:04:36Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Lord, he can’t go back there. Good one! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9874 "2019-03-07T21:38:33Z")
[Cohen sues Trump org for $1.9m, claims they stiffed him on legal expenses.](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/nyregion/michael-cohen-trump-lawsuit.html) “I can’t believe they did to me that which they paid me millions to do to others!”, a sobbing Cohen cried out to a mob of reporters. (Not really, but it could have happened, right? 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9875 "2019-03-07T22:48:49Z")
“I can’t believe the leopards ate my face!” Says man who used to be paid to dress up as a leopard and eat people’s faces. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9876 "2019-03-07T22:53:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “I can’t believe the leopards ate my face!” Says man who used to be paid to dress up as a leopard and eat people’s faces. Reminds me of one of my favorite commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9877 "2019-03-07T23:01:48Z")
Update on Manafort’s sentencing: Nothing yet from the judge, but we do have this tidbit: > [@](#): > > Paul Manafort never gave meaningful help during his cooperation with the Special Counsel’s office, prosecutor Greg Andres said. > > But Judge TS Ellis noted Manafort spent 50 hours with prosecutors. Andres then explained why prosecutors met with Manafort. > > “It wasn’t information we didn’t know,” Andres said raising his voice. “The reason he met for 50 hours was because he lied.” > The prosecutors needed the time to work out those lies. > > The lawyers have now reached the meat of Manafort’s sentencing hearing after working out several legal questions with the judge. > > Andres is still arguing about the full weight of the sentence Manafort should receive. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9878 "2019-03-07T23:26:39Z")
Manafort says he’s in great pain, and won’t somebody think of his family? Also, he’s found Jesus. I hope the judge throws his ass in prison for 10 -20. Plus, he is still due to be sentenced later by another court for other crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9879 "2019-03-07T23:39:08Z")
I have no idea how reliable this publication (_The Spectator_) or writer/column/whatever (“Cockburn”) is, but… > [@](#): > > One former official, passing along information from a ‘100% reliable’ source inside the Department of Justice, tells Cockburn that Robert Mueller will give his report to the Attorney General on Friday. It will make the case for ‘collusion,’ he said, and will not just be about ‘process’ – perjury, obstruction of justice – or financial crimes. > > The same former official was also convinced that there would be indictments for one or more of President Trump’s children. Cockburn spoke to two others – each (apparently) with their own sources on the matter – who said this Friday would be a big day in the Trump-Russia investigation. Like I said, I don’t vouch for it. But wouldn’t it be cool? ETA: [Linky.](https://spectator.us/beware-ides-trump/) ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9880 "2019-03-07T23:49:36Z")
The Spectator has been around for 100+years. It’s pretty respected. _does little happy dance_ ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9881 "2019-03-07T23:59:28Z")
47 fucking months? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9882 "2019-03-08T00:01:49Z")
I’m beyond appalled. Why bother with sentencing guidelines? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=493) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=495)