# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 498
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9943 "2019-03-08T19:21:04Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The take I saw a few times online, that I think I mostly agree with, is: four years in prison is not nothing, but we’re so accustomed in the US to seeing people get life-destroying sentences for minor things, that four years sounds like a free ride. We shouldn’t sentence white collar criminals the same as we sentence other criminals. We should sentence everyone the way we sentence white collar criminals. But he wasn’t sentenced the way we sentence white collar criminals. The sentence was no way near the sentencing guidelines. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9944 "2019-03-08T19:24:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I actually don’t think that Trump will pardon him. Trump only does anything if there is a direct benefit to himself. Since I don’t see how pardoning Manifort would improve Trump’s popularity with anyone but Manifort and his family, and doing so would link him with a convicted felon, there is no reason for him to do so. > > That’s not to say that Trump didn’t promise Manifort a pardon, just that when it comes time to pay up Trump is going to stiff him just like his other contractors. It sends a message to all of the other people in the swamp that they will be pardoned so long as they don’t turn on him. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9945 "2019-03-08T20:30:20Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I have no idea how reliable this publication (_The Spectator_) or writer/column/whatever (“Cockburn”) is, but… > > Like I said, I don’t vouch for it. But wouldn’t it be cool? > > ETA: [Linky.](https://spectator.us/beware-ides-trump/) The story has been updated. FTA: > [@](#): > > Update 3/8 1p.m. ET: Latest word from inside the DoJ is to ‘expect nothing’ today or over the weekend about the Mueller report. That might mean that Mueller has not handed in his report as predicted here. Or it might mean that Bill Barr wants to settle down with a nice cup of cocoa and burrow into the report over the weekend. Either way, the president, his children, and everyone else will have to wait a bit longer to find out what the Special Counsel will say. Fingers crossed about the accuracy of the rest of it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9946 "2019-03-08T20:36:06Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > The story has been updated. FTA: > Fingers crossed about the accuracy of the rest of it. My personal sources indicate that the Mueller report will be submitted within the next 2-3 years. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9947 "2019-03-08T20:40:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m off shortly to go pick up the bottle of Mueller Winery pinot noir I ordered for the occasion of the release of the report… That’s a great idea! I thought I was being smart by stockpiling pizza and ice cream for the occasion… ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9948 "2019-03-08T21:40:17Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > No word of indictments today, or the sound of a 960-page report hitting a desk. Time to brew another cup of Mueller tea. At least tasseography is a more agreeable method of divining the future than haruspicy. > > So, the Ides of March will soon be upon us… Yep, I think it’s safe to conclude that Bill Barr came in with the expectation that it was time to call the investigation, and the “next week” semi-announcement was based on that. And then Rosenstein showed him the evidence. And then Rosenstein [said this](https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/431458-rosenstein-says-public-should-trust-barr-on-mueller-report). And now the Mueller report is coming whenever Mueller says that it is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9949 "2019-03-08T22:29:45Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Does anyone know if this applies if Trump commutes his sentence? It’s complicated. You can’t be forced to incriminate yourself, but if you’ve already accepted a pardon (or commutation of your sentence) for some offense then you can’t face any further legal punishment and can be forced to testify since you’re no longer in jeopardy. However, if Manafort’s testimony might incriminate him for other offenses not covered by the hypothetical pardon, or if he could be facing state charges for his conduct, it’s likely he would retain some Fifth Amendment protection against being forced to testify regarding at least some subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9950 "2019-03-08T22:44:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > So far, it’s working out for me. I’m off shortly to go pick up the bottle of Mueller Winery pinot noir I ordered for the occasion of the release of the report and have been fighting all week with Fed Ex Ground to get delivered. What gutless jerks. Wouldn’t use the gate code on Tuesday that they’ve used 1,000 times before (no explanation why); couldn’t deliver on Wednesday due to mix-up on a second package; couldn’t deliver yesterday due to a “weather delay,” even though my intrepid postie made it through to deliver a USPS package. > > It’s a lovely, special occasion wine in any case, but will be especially apt to have on hand for Mueller’s report. I’d love to have a glass tonight, but any day will be fine. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > That’s a great idea! I thought I was being smart by stockpiling pizza and ice cream for the occasion… The last time I set aside special food and drink for celebrating an occasion was election night 2016. Never again! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9951 "2019-03-09T00:24:44Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > That’s a great idea! I thought I was being smart by stockpiling pizza and ice cream for the occasion… It’s not too late! The winery itself is out of stock, but you can still order either their Emily’s Cuvée or August Recher through other retailers such as [Wine.com](http://Wine.com). They are both very nice wines. And by a wonderful coincidence, the owner of the winery is named Robert Mueller. 🙂 > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The last time I set aside special food and drink for celebrating an occasion was election night 2016. Never again! LOL, **Happy Lendervedder** , you always make me giggle. 😃 I saw a clip of Rosenstein speaking at his and Trump’s alma mater the other night. He looked relaxed, comfortable and happy as he took several not-so-veiled swipes at Trump, making the point that you can always judge the character of a person by the company they keep. Few have as much at stake in this investigation as Rosenstein. His appointment of Mueller was his path to redemption among his DOJ/FBI peers after having been used in an abominable way by Trump as the “reason” for firing Comey. He swore to see this investigation through to the end, and I think he feels he has successfully accomplished his goal. If Rosenstein is happy, this girl is happy, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9952 "2019-03-09T04:19:15Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And by a wonderful coincidence, the owner of the winery is named Robert Mueller. 🙂 Maybe [this place](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller_Municipal_Airport) needs to be reconstituted? Since something related to airplanes has been mentioned, and this is the SDMB, I must pay heed to the invocation: “[I just wanted to tell you good luck, Mr Mueller, we’re all counting on you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus).” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9953 "2019-03-09T14:38:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Part of the outrage is about the judge stating that Manafort lived a “blameless life”. > > [Not even his children are that stupid.](https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3) Part of my outrage has nothing to do with this case at all, but rather the heightened awareness that Trump is going to impact the federal judiciary for years to come. Whether Ellis is relevant or not, I don’t know, but he’s still a reminder in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9954 "2019-03-09T14:46:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Part of my outrage has nothing to do with this case at all, but rather the heightened awareness that Trump is going to impact the federal judiciary for years to come. Whether Ellis is relevant or not, I don’t know, but he’s still a reminder in my mind. My outrage is the hypocrisy of the GOP and that it’s acceptable to them to elect a moron (possibly the least of his failings, he can’t control that) for President. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9955 "2019-03-09T15:12:23Z")
Erik Prince didn’t lie to Congress about his role in the Trump administration. He’s claiming that [the transcript is lying](https://theintercept.com/2019/03/08/erik-prince-trump-mehdi-hasan/) about what he said. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9956 "2019-03-09T15:54:45Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Erik Prince didn’t lie to Congress about his role in the Trump administration. He’s claiming that [the transcript is lying](https://theintercept.com/2019/03/08/erik-prince-trump-mehdi-hasan/) about what he said. The court reporter who took all of that down was PAID BY HILLARY! Or maybe it WAS Hillary. \<_shrug_\> In any case, it’s not Erik’s fault. He wasn’t even in the room when it happened. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9957 "2019-03-09T17:39:49Z")
> [@](#): > > The court reporter who took all of that down was PAID BY HILLARY! Or maybe it WAS Hillary. Well, she needed work after Murphy Brown [refused to hire her](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/09/hillary-clinton-murphy-brown-cameo). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9958 "2019-03-09T19:00:34Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Maybe [this place](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller_Municipal_Airport) needs to be reconstituted? > > Since something related to airplanes has been mentioned, and this is the SDMB, I must pay heed to the invocation: > > “[I just wanted to tell you good luck, Mr Mueller, we’re all counting on you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus).” I’d forgotten that line in Airplane. 🙂 ```auto Well, I'm not nearly as smart as Director Robert Mueller, but if I were running this investigation, I know what I'd do. So just for fun: I'd wrap up those "kids" of Trump's with arrest warrants on state charges first, say money laundering/tax fraud-type stuff. Get some pressure going on the traitorous orange fucker that's unquestionably beyond the reach of his pardon abuse. Just get the "kids" the hell out of the White House and dealing with their own issues. Presumably even if they were granted bail, the fact of pending criminal charges should be sufficient to yank security clearances -- even for Republicans. If not, it's a Very Bad Look for 2020 reelection messaging. I'd hold back federal charges for the "kids" until I had the traitorous orange fucker safely out of the way. Maybe he'd agree to resign -- although I doubt it. But it wouldn't matter. At least the "kids" would be neutralized. Then I'd grab up many of the other relevant American players with indictments and arrest them at the same time. I'd do them together in a big splash so that if Trump started abusing his pardon power, it would become immediately evident that Congress must act. (Even Republican senators and Bill Barr have said pardon abuse would go too far.) The reason for my obsession with secrecy would become immediately apparent. I'd hold back some charges in case I needed to apply them after a (predictable) Trump backlash: E.g., Trump pardons Roger Stone for the obstruction/false statements/witness tampering charges, then I could wait to level conspiracy charges until Trump had suffered the consequences and was gone. I notice Mr. Stone is not a the subject of such charges (yet), nor is Manafort (yet), so maybe Director Mueller and I are thinking along the same lines. I'd continue to issue speaking indictments to accompany my arrests, just as Mueller has done up to this point. If the indictments speak as well as they have up to now, then public issuance of Mueller's report is moot. It won't matter what Bill Barr chooses to do. Congress can have that fight. I'd disperse prosecution of the indictments far and wide, to every US Attorney's Office that could get onboard and let those simultaneous prosecutions play out on the national stage with all the attendant publicity. Then I'd tip my hat to the American Congress and public, let them figure out what to do with this mountain of factual evidence with which I have left them, hope like hell they could get it right and fade gently back into my former life (to the extent that would be possible). That's what I'd do, anyway. Curious how others think it should be handled. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9959 "2019-03-09T23:28:57Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … > Well, I’m not nearly as smart as Director Robert Mueller, but if I were running this investigation, I know what I’d do. So just for fun: > > I’d wrap up those “kids” of Trump’s with arrest warrants on state charges first, say money laundering/tax fraud-type stuff. Get some pressure going on the traitorous orange fucker that’s unquestionably beyond the reach of his pardon abuse. Just get the “kids” the hell out of the White House and dealing with their own issues. … > > That’s what I’d do, anyway. Curious how others think it should be handled. I doubt that anyone could improve on this plan. Yes, getting Trump’s children and their spouses out of the White House, and keeping them busy (or locked up), could save Americans from potential machinations aimed at keeping Trump in place. These faux-royals have been sashaying around making ‘deals’ for too long. Time for the _Corruption Theater_ curtain to come down. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9960 "2019-03-10T23:38:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Curious how others think it should be handled. I shall recuse myself from offering a roadmap on the grounds of lack of expertise in the field. It would be like asking me how I would build a rocket to the Moon. I just try and guess the rocket’s launch date based on observations such as rocket boosters firing up, or the countdown person clearing their throat. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9961 "2019-03-11T01:15:03Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’d forgotten that line in Airplane. 🙂 > > ```auto > > Well, I'm not nearly as smart as Director Robert Mueller, but if I were running this investigation, I know what I'd do. So just for fun: > > I'd wrap up those "kids" of Trump's with arrest warrants on state charges first, say money laundering/tax fraud-type stuff. Get some pressure going on the traitorous orange fucker that's unquestionably beyond the reach of his pardon abuse. Just get the "kids" the hell out of the White House and dealing with their own issues. > > Presumably even if they were granted bail, the fact of pending criminal charges should be sufficient to yank security clearances -- even for Republicans. If not, it's a Very Bad Look for 2020 reelection messaging. I'd hold back federal charges for the "kids" until I had the traitorous orange fucker safely out of the way. Maybe he'd agree to resign -- although I doubt it. But it wouldn't matter. At least the "kids" would be neutralized. > > Then I'd grab up many of the other relevant American players with indictments and arrest them at the same time. I'd do them together in a big splash so that if Trump started abusing his pardon power, it would become immediately evident that Congress must act. (Even Republican senators and Bill Barr have said pardon abuse would go too far.) The reason for my obsession with secrecy would become immediately apparent. > > I'd hold back some charges in case I needed to apply them after a (predictable) Trump backlash: E.g., Trump pardons Roger Stone for the obstruction/false statements/witness tampering charges, then I could wait to level conspiracy charges until Trump had suffered the consequences and was gone. I notice Mr. Stone is not a the subject of such charges (yet), nor is Manafort (yet), so maybe Director Mueller and I are thinking along the same lines. > > I'd continue to issue speaking indictments to accompany my arrests, just as Mueller has done up to this point. If the indictments speak as well as they have up to now, then public issuance of Mueller's report is moot. It won't matter what Bill Barr chooses to do. Congress can have that fight. > > I'd disperse prosecution of the indictments far and wide, to every US Attorney's Office that could get onboard and let those simultaneous prosecutions play out on the national stage with all the attendant publicity. > > Then I'd tip my hat to the American Congress and public, let them figure out what to do with this mountain of factual evidence with which I have left them, hope like hell they could get it right and fade gently back into my former life (to the extent that would be possible). > > That's what I'd do, anyway. Curious how others think it should be handled. > > ``` Are we sure there are going to be state charges against the “Kids” ? Or that this will happen - _I’d grab up many of the other relevant American players with indictments and arrest them at the same time._ I keep hearing it, for over a year now, and it hasn’t happened yet. I hope it does. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/9962 "2019-03-11T01:45:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I doubt that anyone could improve on this plan. > > Yes, getting Trump’s children and their spouses out of the White House, and keeping them busy (or locked up), could save Americans from potential machinations aimed at keeping Trump in place. These faux-royals have been sashaying around making ‘deals’ for too long. Time for the _Corruption Theater_ curtain to come down. Thanks, and we are completely agreed re the faux-royals. I’m pretty sure Mueller will improve on the plan, but I sure hope it goes something like how I outlined. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I shall recuse myself from offering a roadmap on the grounds of lack of expertise in the field. It would be like asking me how I would build a rocket to the Moon. I just try and guess the rocket’s launch date based on observations such as rocket boosters firing up, or the countdown person clearing their throat. I should take a page out of your humility playbook… but I’m reckless and stupid like that. Plus probably have too much time on my hands. 🙂 > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Are we sure there are going to be state charges against the “Kids” ? [Yeah, pretty sure](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html). (NY Times) > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Or that this will happen - _I’d grab up many of the other relevant American players with indictments and arrest them at the same time._ > > I keep hearing it, for over a year now, and it hasn’t happened yet. I hope it does. As someone who has had my nose against the glass for every move of Mueller’s investigation, I’m comfortable to say that yes, there are many other relevant players with indictments and arrests pending. However, due the Trump’s potential abuse of pardon power and his tiny sticky fingers on the nuclear codes, this is a brand new type of prosecution. It is huge and complicated, with many different threads to follow. I understand people’s charm with using John Oliver’s term of “stupid Watergate,” but to me, it is a huge disservice to our country to do so. It egregiously understates the immensity of what has occurred. The leader of an adverse foreign power chose our president. Mueller must tread carefully in the approach he takes. No one has ever had to do this before. I understand your frustration at how long it has taken, but some things just have to take their own time. I think this is such a one. But he’ll get there, I am sure of it. Nothing has ever been more important. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=497) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=499)