# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/81 "2017-10-30T12:11:31Z")
Interesting. Manafort has been up to plenty of shady stuff that didn’t potentially involve the Trump administration. Will this be the start of going up the chain or more of a tangential indictment? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/82 "2017-10-30T12:23:19Z")
The easy favorite came through, though if you had any money on Mr. Gates (first you had to have heard of him), you’re doing pretty good. [It’s Mueller Time!](https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1765927903500256/) Fun little video, the special effects aren’t spectacular but quite amusing nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/83 "2017-10-30T12:56:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s Manafort and Rick Gates And simultaneously, [“US warns of N Korean ‘provocations’ as it sends bombers, carriers to region.”](https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAudiNe?m=en-us) > [@](#): > > …Meanwhile, the US has been making other moves of the kind that have provoked responses from Pyongyang in the past. Last week, two more US aircraft carriers joined the Japan-based USS Ronald Reagan in the Asia-Pacific region. > … > But Lt Gen Kenneth McKenzie Jr, director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters last week the three carrier groups would conduct a joint exercise to demonstrate their “unique and powerful capability,” the first time that’s happened in the Pacific in a decade. … So, Trump’s not going to derail the investigation by firing Mueller–he’s going to do it by starting WWIII?? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/84 "2017-10-30T13:00:21Z")
I wasn’t expecting it to be Manafort, but there have been many times in my life when I’ve been happy to be wrong, and this is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/85 "2017-10-30T13:25:50Z")
Unsealed [indictment](https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download) (PDF) against Manafort and Gates. Should make for some dry breakfast reading. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/86 "2017-10-30T13:38:32Z")
It claims that Manafort illegally received more than $18 million in laundered funds. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/87 "2017-10-30T13:53:06Z")
But really, who has’t laundered millions of dollars at some point in their lives? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/88 "2017-10-30T14:01:39Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It claims that Manafort illegally received more than $18 million in laundered funds. That’s amateur hour. Surely Donald has done more than that in a good week. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/89 "2017-10-30T14:04:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It claims that Manafort illegally received more than $18 million in laundered funds. Related to the campaign, or otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/90 "2017-10-30T14:08:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I wasn’t expecting it to be Manafort, but there have been many times in my life when I’ve been happy to be wrong, and this is one of them. So, you’re enjoying some _relish_ on your “nothing burger”? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/91 "2017-10-30T14:10:37Z")
Sorry for crossposting, but this is a good, quick rundown of the charges: [https://twitter.com/renato\_mariotti/status/924991226008489984](https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/924991226008489984) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/92 "2017-10-30T14:14:26Z")
So Manafort was an undisclosed agent for pro-Russian interests attempting to influence US politics and secretly on their payroll when he ran Trump’s campaign. But this has nothing to do with Russia’s efforts to help Trump win the U.S. election. Is that about right? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/93 "2017-10-30T14:15:41Z")
So, see? Trump was right! There WAS no collusion with Russia! Fake News! It was Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/94 "2017-10-30T14:21:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, you’re enjoying some _relish_ on your “nothing burger”? 🙂 Get the nothingburger combo, it’s a better deal. GOP apologists will be dancing in the streets, this particular indictment doesn’t seem to be campaign related. I’m sure this is the first of many indictments to many people, some of which will be campaign related and some of which will not. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/95 "2017-10-30T14:21:43Z")
There’s another one. On October 5th, George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/96 "2017-10-30T14:22:05Z")
Link: [https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf](https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/97 "2017-10-30T14:25:44Z")
Yeah. We still saying nothingburger? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/98 "2017-10-30T14:27:29Z")
Well, they didn’t get Al Capone on booze running, either. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/99 "2017-10-30T14:28:07Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > There’s another one. > > On October 5th, George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI. Wait, Webster’s dad? I don’t believe it! I don’t \*want \*to believe it! That poor little Webster’s already been through so much. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/100 "2017-10-30T14:28:41Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > There’s another one. > > On October 5th, George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI. Specifically he lied about, and has now confirmed, that the Trump campaign tried to collude with Russia wrt the hacked emails. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=6)