# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 503
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10043 "2019-03-14T21:38:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Trump seriously has the Sadim Touch…everything and everyone who gets associated with him turns to shit. Businesses, people, reputations…all of it. Countries… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10044 "2019-03-14T21:52:38Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The President might have the discretion to order a refund of any funds now held by the Treasury, and I wouldn’t put it past this guy. Don’t think it’s ever happened before under these circumstances, but hell, we’re saying that just about every day now! That’s one hell of a money laundering scheme. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10045 "2019-03-15T00:33:19Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > In other news, Andy Borowitz has thrown up his hands and gotten a new job as a barista. Fine with me. Borowitz is fucking awful. He’s like if comedy had cancer and the tumors all had herpes. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10046 "2019-03-15T01:07:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > His pardon of Joe Arpaio was widely seen as payback for the ex-sheriff’s high-profile support in the 2016 campaign. > [@TroutMan](#): > > But I see it less as doing Arpaio a favor, and more of playing to his base. Yeah, I saw it as both playing to his base and testing out his powers. Look at how he was playing in that fire truck. He wants to test out everything he can just because he can. Which is why there should have been legislation to keep him from using our nukes as a first strike without congressional approval. As the pressure builds and the kids get indicted, he’s going to bomb the fuck out of the first brown country (or NK) that looks at us funny. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10047 "2019-03-15T01:25:26Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Yeah, I saw it as both playing to his base and testing out his powers. Look at how he was playing in that fire truck. He wants to test out everything he can just because he can. > > Which is why there should have been legislation to keep him from using our nukes as a first strike without congressional approval. As the pressure builds and the kids get indicted, he’s going to bomb the fuck out of the first brown country (or NK) that looks at us funny. And there are no more “adults in the room” to keep him from doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10048 "2019-03-15T01:31:51Z")
It’s Friday tomorrow. I think any potential future indictments are going to happen when I least expect it, and I’m not expecting any tomorrow, on the Ides of March. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10049 "2019-03-15T01:54:07Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It’s Friday tomorrow. > > I think any potential future indictments are going to happen when I least expect it, and I’m not expecting any tomorrow, on the Ides of March. I keep the faith and hope to uncork a fine bottle of wine tomorrow night. I am personally of the opinion that Robert Mueller (the SC, not the vintner) has a sense of humor such to appreciate the rolling out of his cases on this particular date. Not that he would… _plan_ for it to happen, exactly. But I somehow intuit he won’t mind if it works out that way. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10050 "2019-03-15T02:27:51Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > In other news, Andy Borowitz has thrown up his hands and gotten a new job as a barista. > [@friedo](#): > > Fine with me. Borowitz is fucking awful. He’s like if comedy had cancer and the tumors all had herpes. Right. _That’s_ who you want making your lattes… ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10051 "2019-03-15T02:35:10Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It’s Friday tomorrow. > > I think any potential future indictments are going to happen when I least expect it, and I’m not expecting any tomorrow, on the Ides of March. Agreed. The Ides of March may be warning us and not our current, scheming son of wealth and golden showers. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10052 "2019-03-15T04:32:04Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > But I see it less as doing Arpaio a favor, and more of playing to his base. Let’s not discount the fact that Tan the Conman is just as much of a bigot and power-hungry moron as Arpaio and firmly believes that Joe didn’t do a damn thing wrong. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 is threatening to sic his military, police, and biker supporters on his opponents. > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/opinions/trumps-thuggish-threat-of-violence-against-his-critics-lockhart/](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/opinions/trumps-thuggish-threat-of-violence-against-his-critics-lockhart/) From your link: > [@](#): > > My view is deep down he envies the power they have to impose their will and repress their people. He does not share a commitment to democratic values that most American cherish. He looks upon authoritarian regimes with a palpable admiration. ISTR that I posted something similar about Tan the Conman on this board. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Lindsay Graham has just blocked a Senate vote on making the Mueller report public unless there’s a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary’s emails. What? Nothing about a rider to that requiring further investigation into a certain birth certificate? > [@jayjay](#): > > Trump seriously has the Sadim Touch…everything and everyone who gets associated with him turns to shit. Businesses, people, reputations…all of it. I’d always heard that as “The Sadim touch. You know, everything he touches turns to dlog. And you know what dlog is!” > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It’s Friday tomorrow. > > I think any potential future indictments are going to happen when I least expect it, and I’m not expecting any tomorrow, on the Ides of March. It’s Friday here. I’ve lived on this side of the IDL since the beginning of 2005 and I _still_ can’t convince myself that it’ll be Saturday here when people back in DC say Friday. And that’s especially the case for the looming (let’s hope, good) news about Mueller indictments. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10053 "2019-03-15T05:15:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’d always heard that as “The Sadim touch. You know, everything he touches turns to dlog. And you know what dlog is!” I prefer to use “The _[Mierdas](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mierda#Spanish)_ touch”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10054 "2019-03-15T13:51:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I prefer to use “The _[Mierdas](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mierda#Spanish)_ touch”. ♫ _One ton of mierda Joaquin ate one ton of mierda One ton of mierda Joaquin ate one ton of mierda_ ♫ Apropos of nothing. It’s just what I think of when I hear ‘mierda’. One day I may finish it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10055 "2019-03-15T16:49:53Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Fine with me. Borowitz is fucking awful. He’s like if comedy had cancer and the tumors all had herpes. So… not a fan? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10056 "2019-03-15T17:16:48Z")
The SC asks a Federal judge to delay Rick Gates’s sentencing until May 14: [Mueller, in U.S. court filing, says multiple probes continue](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/03/15/mueller-in-us-court-filing-says-multiple-probes-continue/23693269/) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10057 "2019-03-15T21:11:20Z")
Sometimes I really require things to be spelled out for me, and clicking your link I see that this means that he is still cooperating with Mueller investigations that are ongoing, and not yet complete. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10058 "2019-03-15T22:22:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Lindsay Graham has just blocked a Senate vote on making the Mueller report public unless there’s a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary’s emails. Photos were taken of Graham as he walked down the hall after blocking that vote, and he really does look as though his dog just died. He looks just dead-eyed and miserable. Someday we’re going to find out the story of who is pulling Graham’s strings, and how that all came about. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10059 "2019-03-16T00:21:36Z")
It looks like the Manhattan DA’s office might have overreached with their charges against Manafort. [This analysis](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/cy-vance-paul-manafort-double-jeopardy-new-york.html) suggests that between 9 and 12 of the 16 counts might run afoul of New York’s strict double-jeopardy law, because they substantially overlap with his conviction for defrauding Citizens Bank. The author (a Fordham Law professor) suggests it would wise to drop all but the four remaining minor charges preemptively, before it is used as fodder for accusations of an overzealous prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10060 "2019-03-16T00:32:19Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Photos were taken of Graham as he walked down the hall after blocking that vote, and he really does look as though his dog just died. He looks just dead-eyed and miserable. > > Someday we’re going to find out the story of who is pulling Graham’s strings, and how that all came about. Of course I’m I heavily biased liberal, but does it look like Graham’s appearance has taken a tumble lately? I seem to recall him usually looking pretty well put together. But in the last few photos of him I’ve seen, he looks like a strung out traveling salesman bellying up to the bar in an Applebee’s. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10061 "2019-03-16T00:34:11Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Of course I’m I heavily biased liberal, but does it look like Graham’s appearance has taken a tumble lately? I seem to recall him usually looking pretty well put together. But in the last few photos of him I’ve seen, he looks like a strung out traveling salesman bellying up to the bar in an Applebee’s. I agree. Lately he looks rough as guts. Of course, he’s earned it. In my family, this is referred to as “slippage.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10062 "2019-03-16T00:35:02Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Of course I’m I heavily biased liberal, but does it look like Graham’s appearance has taken a tumble lately? I seem to recall him usually looking pretty well put together. But in the last few photos of him I’ve seen, he looks like a strung out traveling salesman bellying up to the bar in an Applebee’s. Good analogy. And it’s not just you noticing. Twitter had a lot to say about that hallway photo, and some of it was a lot less safe-for-work than your suggestion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=502) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=504)