# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 504
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10063 "2019-03-16T02:14:26Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > It looks like the Manhattan DA’s office might have overreached with their charges against Manafort. [This analysis](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/cy-vance-paul-manafort-double-jeopardy-new-york.html) suggests that between 9 and 12 of the 16 counts might run afoul of New York’s strict double-jeopardy law, because they substantially overlap with his conviction for defrauding Citizens Bank. New York’s legislature is already working on removing that double jeopardy exception. Though whether the new standard will apply _ex post facto_ I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10064 "2019-03-16T02:39:00Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Of course I’m I heavily biased liberal, but does it look like Graham’s appearance has taken a tumble lately? I seem to recall him usually looking pretty well put together. But in the last few photos of him I’ve seen, he looks like a strung out traveling salesman bellying up to the bar in an Applebee’s. Lilac water. Not even once! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10065 "2019-03-16T06:23:00Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Of course I’m I heavily biased liberal, but does it look like Graham’s appearance has taken a tumble lately? I seem to recall him usually looking pretty well put together. But in the last few photos of him I’ve seen, he looks like a strung out traveling salesman bellying up to the bar in an Applebee’s. I declare, this vile and putrid attack on an innocent personage shall not go unavenged! My local Applebee’s would refuse service to such an obviously intoxicated blowhard. Not that they’ve put me out on the curb or anything… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10066 "2019-03-16T13:27:20Z")
[Mueller asks for 60 more days to work with Gates](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/rick-gates-continues-to-cooperate-in-several-ongoing-investigations-and-is-not-ready-for-sentencing/2019/03/15/f22f0e4a-4677-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.ebc2f9d0478c): > [@WaPo](#): > > The request in Washington to delay sentencing was made jointly by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and Gates’s attorney, Thomas C. Green. > > “The status of this matter has not changed substantially since the January report, as defendant Gates continues to cooperate with respect to several ongoing investigations, and accordingly the parties do not believe it is appropriate to commence the sentencing process at this time,” they wrote in a one-page update for U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District. The investigations were not described. > > The reference to Gates’s cooperation echoed language used in November and in January and asked for another 60 days — until May 14 — to deliver the next update on Gates’s standing. I wonder whether this pushes back against the “Mueller is almost done” idea. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10067 "2019-03-16T13:35:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [Mueller asks for 60 more days to work with Gates](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/rick-gates-continues-to-cooperate-in-several-ongoing-investigations-and-is-not-ready-for-sentencing/2019/03/15/f22f0e4a-4677-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.ebc2f9d0478c): > I wonder whether this pushes back against the “Mueller is almost done” idea. Anyone who claims to know Mueller’s timetable doesn’t. They (and we) are just reading tea leaves. In the teacups that we can see. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10068 "2019-03-16T13:37:48Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Anyone who claims to know Mueller’s timetable doesn’t. They (and we) are just reading tea leaves. In the teacups that we can see. In the teacups he’s _letting_ us see… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10069 "2019-03-16T18:48:32Z")
[Trump Lies And Claims He Told Republicans To Fake Supporting Mueller Report Release](https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/16/trump-fake-mueller-transparency.html) > [@](#): > > After the House voted 420-0 in favor of releasing the Mueller report, Trump claims that he told House Republicans to fake supporting transparency. > > Trump tweeted: > > > [@Little Donnie Fail-Fail](#): > > > > **On the recent non-binding vote (420-0) in Congress about releasing the Mueller Report, I told leadership to let all Republicans vote for transparency. Makes us all look good and doesn’t matter. Play along with the game!** > > [Trump] was either trying to spin the defeat in the House as some political con job where Republicans are trying to fool people into believing that they support releasing the Mueller report, or Trump is making up stories to explain away a humiliating defeat in Congress. > > If Trump did direct Republicans to fake supporting releasing Mueller’s report, he ruined the whole scheme by broadcasting to the entire world via Twitter that it was all a ruse. Efforts to fool people don’t work if you go on Twitter and literally say I AM TRYING TO FOOL YOU. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10070 "2019-03-16T18:57:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Trump Lies And Claims He Told Republicans To Fake Supporting Mueller Report Release](https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/16/trump-fake-mueller-transparency.html) > [@](#): > > Efforts to fool people don’t work if you go on Twitter and literally say I AM TRYING TO FOOL YOU. Apparently, they do. Not fooling anyone who hasn’t been a fool these past few years, but these past few years have seen many a fool. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10071 "2019-03-16T18:58:21Z")
Trumpites would still fall for it. I used to think there was a bottom limit to stupidity… ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10072 "2019-03-16T19:00:59Z")
Yeah, he’s a mastermind in control of all of those puppets in the House. Next, he is going to tell them to impeach him and throw him in jail as part of his master plan. MLK went to jail, and now his statue is on the national mall yanno, big beautiful statue, one of my favorites… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10073 "2019-03-16T19:06:00Z")
He’s using reverse pathology. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10074 "2019-03-16T19:36:47Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Yeah, he’s a mastermind in control of all of those puppets in the House. Next, he is going to tell them to impeach him and throw him in jail as part of his master plan. MLK went to jail, and now his statue is on the national mall yanno, big beautiful statue, one of my favorites… You know who else spent some time in jail… ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10075 "2019-03-16T22:50:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You know who else spent some time in jail… Try to imagine Trump writing a book. (Guess we should be grateful he’s incapable of doing so. After all, that other book did have something of an impact on the world.) ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10076 "2019-03-17T00:52:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Anyone who claims to know Mueller’s timetable doesn’t. They (and we) are just reading tea leaves. In the teacups that we can see. I’ll know Mueller is done or close to it when he tells us OR Trump and his kids get indicted. I mean, it’s abundantly clear they all did multiple really bad things. And he hasn’t had an interview with any of them. So they’re not cooperating. They’re targets. I think the Mueller-is-almost-done comes from two places. One is people want to be the person who breaks the story or gets credibility by being right. Those people aren’t malicious. The other place is kind of like push-polling. If you keep saying he’s almost done, it makes people impatient and DEMAND that he finish before he gets to the good stuff, the stuff this second group is trying to hide. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10077 "2019-03-17T01:28:45Z")
To be precise, Trump did submit written answers to the SC’s questions. I am positive that, recognizing the gravity of the situation, the Trump team endeavored to be as cooperative and truthful as they could be. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10078 "2019-03-17T02:32:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > To be precise, Trump did submit written answers to the SC’s questions. > > I am positive that, recognizing the gravity of the situation, the Trump team endeavored to be as cooperative and truthful as they could be. Oh, **JohnT** , you sly scamp! 😃 You’re crackin’ me up here! 😛 I guess the operative phrase is “as they could be,” amirite? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10079 "2019-03-17T02:34:03Z")
Curses! Foiled again! My cunning wordplay was no match for my worthy opponent. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10080 "2019-03-17T02:36:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Curses! Foiled again! My cunning wordplay was no match for my worthy opponent. I love it when you twirl your handlebar mustache. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10081 "2019-03-17T14:12:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Trumpites would still fall for it. I used to think there was a bottom limit to stupidity… Stupid’s forever but ignorance can be fixed. _Willful_ ignorance not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10082 "2019-03-18T19:22:08Z")
Elliott Broidy’s everything was raided and hauled off last summer: > **[Federal Authorities Raided Trump Fundraiser’s Office in Money Laundering Probe](https://www.propublica.org/article/federal-authorities-raided-trump-fundraisers-office-in-money-laundering-probe)** > > A sealed search warrant obtained by ProPublica shows federal agents scoured Elliott Broidy’s office for documents related to China, Saudi Arabia and a Miami Beach club promoter. Presumably related to Mueller’s Saudi Arabia/Israel investigation that he also seems to be involved in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=503) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=505)