# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 506
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10103 "2019-03-23T13:55:34Z")
Yeah, deleting because I’m dumb ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10104 "2019-03-23T15:00:46Z")
My official prediction (somewhat like Sage Rat’s): the reason there are no further indictments from Mueller is because everything he found was either (a) referred to other jurisdictions; (b) implicates Trump, but Mueller stayed within the Justice Dept guidelines and declined to indict him; or © is extremely shady (like, the Moscow deal) but wasn’t necessarily criminal. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10105 "2019-03-23T15:45:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > \ > > I found myself wishing that one of the talking heads would start his/her segment with:I don’t have anything to add to what my colleagues have been telling you overandoverandoverandoverandoverandover and the hell with it, I’m heading for the bar. In the unlikely event that anything new happens they know where to find me. > > We now return you to the studio for a brief interlude of recorded music. > > \ That kind of honestly would be SO refreshing! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10106 "2019-03-23T15:47:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump has an “R” next to his name, so the law doesn’t apply to him and it doesn’t matter what the report says. He could rape a baby then eat it on national television and it wouldn’t matter. At this point I have to agree. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10107 "2019-03-23T16:59:59Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > \ > > I found myself wishing that one of the talking heads would start his/her segment with:I don’t have anything to add to what my colleagues have been telling you overandoverandoverandoverandoverandover and the hell with it, I’m heading for the bar. In the unlikely event that anything new happens they know where to find me. > > We now return you to the studio for a brief interlude of recorded music. > > \ Throw in a video of goldendoodles playing, and I’m in. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10108 "2019-03-23T18:59:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > War with North Korea just got a lot more likely. Trump knows the rule of law is after him, so he will use whatever power he has at his disposal to reverse the advantage. He will attempt (and may succeed at) the establishment of a Security State. War and national emergencies almost always result in an increase in executive power and a loss of civil liberties. And this Congress will not oppose him in doing so. Trump needs an emergency, a rason d’etre: North Korea might be it. Little did you know this prediction already had come true at the time it was posted. This happened when Trump unsuccessfully pushed to go to war with Venezuela for oil. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10109 "2019-03-23T19:43:19Z")
I’ll keep an eye out for that headline. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10110 "2019-03-23T20:16:02Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Little did you know this prediction already had come true at the time it was posted. This happened when Trump unsuccessfully pushed to go to war with Venezuela for oil. 😛 So far. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10111 "2019-03-23T22:09:58Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I mean, let’s all imagine that maybe the report has some really explosive stuff in it like that they have statements from the president himself that he fired the FBI director because that director was investigating him, or that he specifically asked the Russians to hack his political opponents emails. Hooboy, if we knew that to be the case, it would be pretty damning, no? I’ll say! And what if, in addition to those damning pieces of evidence, the report contained evidence that the candidate intervened in the creation of the RNC platform, to make it more pro-Putin! And what if it offered proof that the now-President dictated to his son a completely fake cover-story about a meeting with Russians, a meeting that had been prefaced with emails stating that the sensitive information that would be offered at the meeting was > [@](#): > > part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump. I mean, how could the American people look at all that evidence and conclude that there was ‘no big deal’ and ‘nothing to see here’…right? Man, that would be something, if all that happened. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10112 "2019-03-23T22:23:17Z")
And suppose, in addition to all of that he openly and publicly advocated violence against various innocent people and some of his followers took his advice? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10113 "2019-03-23T22:35:21Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > And suppose, in addition to all of that he openly and publicly advocated violence against various innocent people and some of his followers took his advice? Yes, depressingly, this can be added to the list of things he’s done and skated on. Maybe someday he’ll be so bored he’ll ask for a gun and head out to Fifth Avenue to test the results of acting on his infamous remark. If there were enough footage of of him doing so, maybe that would lose him six or eight supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10114 "2019-03-23T23:12:50Z")
Maybe there were no indictments because collusion was determined to not be a crime? Why has not Trump not yet tweeted about how he was vindicated? Why were Trump and the Republicans so worried about what was in the report if there was nothing to be found? Gillenbrand (don’t know what I think of her, haven’t thought about her much) already has a Facebook page up asking for petitions to demand the report be made public. Has the AG even hinted that it would not be? ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10115 "2019-03-23T23:19:39Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump has an “R” next to his name, so the law doesn’t apply to him and it doesn’t matter what the report says. He could rape a baby then eat it on national television and it wouldn’t matter. Part of the problem is that Republican “leadership” keeps moving the goalposts. How many times since Trump became President have we heard them declare where they will draw the line with his behavior, then when he leaps over that line like Bob Beamon in Mexico City, they decide that behavior us OK, but _this_ is where we draw the line… lather rinse repeat. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10116 "2019-03-23T23:26:06Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Maybe there were no indictments because collusion was determined to not be a crime? Why has not Trump not yet tweeted about how he was vindicated? Why were Trump and the Republicans so worried about what was in the report if there was nothing to be found? Gillenbrand (don’t know what I think of her, haven’t thought about her much) already has a Facebook page up asking for petitions to demand the report be made public. Has the AG even hinted that it would not be? Well, [yes](https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/706016316/read-attorney-general-barrs-letter-on-mueller-report), regarding your last question: > [@Attorney General Barr](#): > > Separately, I intend to consult with Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein and Special Counsel Mueller to determine what other information from the report can be released to Congress and the public consistent with the law, including the Special Counsel regulations, and the Department’s long-standing practices and policies. I remain committed to as much transparency as possible, and I will keep you informed as to the status of my review. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10117 "2019-03-23T23:31:23Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, [yes](https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/706016316/read-attorney-general-barrs-letter-on-mueller-report), regarding your last question: ok. But he has not said he would not release it. Maybe we should wait until then before we start signing petitions. Then again, why not start builing support for it now? I don’t think it matters, it will come out one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10118 "2019-03-23T23:44:25Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > ok. But he has not said he would not release it. Maybe we should wait until then before we start signing petitions. Then again, why not start builing support for it now? I don’t think it matters, it will come out one way or another. (shrug) You used the term “hint”; for me the quoted bit from Barr’s letter was a hint. In any event, I have no particular problem with someone staking out a clear position that the contents of the report be made public, even if we assume Barr eventually will do so. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10119 "2019-03-24T00:02:10Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > (shrug) You used the term “hint”; for me the quoted bit from Barr’s letter was a hint. > > In any event, I have no particular problem with someone staking out a clear position that the contents of the report be made public, even if we assume Barr eventually will do so. Sorry I was quibbling. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10120 "2019-03-24T00:48:21Z")
No! Not here! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10121 "2019-03-24T00:48:49Z")
**[Pelosi rejects any classified briefings on Mueller report](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435450-pelosi-rejects-any-classified-briefings-on-mueller-report)** > [@](#): > > Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Saturday she will demand open briefings from the administration on the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, rejecting any attempt by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to limit the disclosures to a classified setting. > > During a Saturday afternoon conference call with roughly 120 members of the Democratic Caucus, Pelosi amplified earlier vows that Democrats will insist Mueller’s full report be released to the public. > … > > Classified briefings are a regular occurrence on Capitol Hill when executive branch officials convey sensitive information to Congress. In such cases, a select group of lawmakers representing both parties and chambers — a group known as the Gang of Eight — typically acts as a conduit between the branches. > > Pelosi, as Speaker, is a member of that group. Nonetheless, she said she would reject briefings limited to the Gang of Eight or any other classified arrangements, according to the person on the call. > … Hang tough, Nancy. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10122 "2019-03-24T02:14:13Z")
I’m going to be a contrarian and say that I disagree with declaring beforehand that the whole thing should be released. I want the Democratic leadership to see the whole thing, but if it contains information about intel sources, well, we don’t want to endanger the lives of people who are risking themselves to get information to the American government. If Donald Trump or William Barr say there are things we shouldn’t see, fuck that. But, if Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer say there are things that we shouldn’t see, okay. I trust them on this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=505) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=507)