# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 515
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10283 "2019-03-25T21:12:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [Kellyanne Conway calls for Rep. Adam Schiff to resign.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4NFy3Wwo28) > > CMC fnord! This country seems to read collectively at the 2nd grade level or something, because when I read _“While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”_ I read two things: 1. The report does not conclude that the president committed a crime - it doesn’t mean that he didn’t, only that the report fails to conclude that he did. Additional facts can always come to light. Other reports might conclude he committed a crime. I could go on, but you get the picture. 2. The report does NOT exonerate him - because prosecutors don’t exonerate in the first place. Moreover, it quite literally is saying that this report does not exonerate him, so it’s foolish to say otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10284 "2019-03-25T21:13:57Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It’s [reported](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1110257592520056834) that the FBI are preparing to brief the Gang of 8 congressional leaders on the counterintelligence findings of Mueller’s investigation. “One of the officials said it could happen within the next 30 to 60 days.” > > The “Gang of Eight” are: And I’m sure they’ll all agree on what the truth is.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10285 "2019-03-25T21:25:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And I’m sure they’ll all agree on what the truth is.:rolleyes: Come, come my good person, clearly the truth is that Trump is innocent of all crimes he has committed in the past and the future. Further it is the truth that we need more investigation of Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, and Ben Gazi! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10286 "2019-03-25T21:31:43Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Misplacing your trust shouldn’t be a cause for losing face, at least not much. Continuing to place that trust in the face of evidence to the contrary should be. > > Yes. That’s the problem. As [Taibbi](https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million) recounts, a lot of the “evidence” they were responding to was in fact simply untrue, and either went uncorrected, or was only corrected months later. The result was that [three-quarters of Democrats](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-poll-russia-probe-crime_us_59fb8f05e4b01b4740495138) wound up believing Trump had committed a crime, and at one point it was[the #1 issue for them.](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-democrats-investigation-638854) That _should_ lead those educated Democrats to demand an explanation of their media and officials like Schiff. I suspect most won’t, any more than most Republicans demanded an accounting of the WMD screwups. But one can hope that some fraction will. > > [Some of the 2020 candidates are _still_ all-in on collusion](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/beto-orourke-donald-trump-russia-collusion_n_5c967e73e4b057f7330baa30). How they, and the voters, respond will be twlling. I had no idea so many people, especially super-skeptical and evidence-based-decision-maker Democrats, were duped by this con. This will surely rank as one of the biggest mass delusions in American history. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10287 "2019-03-25T21:35:06Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I had no idea so many people, especially super-skeptical and evidence-based-decision-maker Democrats, were duped by this con. This will surely rank as one of the biggest mass delusions in American history. Probably up there with the delusion that the Mueller report has actually been released and we know what it says. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10288 "2019-03-25T21:36:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Probably up there with the delusion that the Mueller report has actually been released and we know what it says. Most reports are saying he found no collusion. Reason to dispute the NYT? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10289 "2019-03-25T21:38:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Most reports are saying he found no collusion. Reason to dispute the NYT? Most reports are that Barr’s letter states there was no collusion. Please cite the NY Times piece which quotes the actual report. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10290 "2019-03-25T21:40:16Z")
McConnell just blocked a motion to have the report released to the public. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10291 "2019-03-25T21:40:28Z")
Did I say the report was quoted? Read for comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10292 "2019-03-25T21:43:41Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Most reports are saying he found no collusion. Reason to dispute the NYT? Reports are about Barr’s letter. We don’t actually know what Mueller’s report says. I, for one, make no conclusion without actual evidence (i.e. the report). ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10293 "2019-03-25T21:48:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Reports are about Barr’s letter. We don’t actually know what Mueller’s report says. I, for one, make no conclusion without actual evidence (i.e. the report). Ok cool. The Warren Report is partially redacted so it isn’t a delusion to think Oswald was a patsy. No actually you’ve made your conclusion without actual evidence. That is the delusion, bud. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10294 "2019-03-25T21:54:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I had no idea so many people, especially super-skeptical and evidence-based-decision-maker Democrats, were duped by this con. This will surely rank as one of the biggest mass delusions in American history. Collusion isn’t a binary yes or no issue. Instead it’s a scale. We know from the public record that it went from green (no collusion) to yellow. The only other thing we know is that it didn’t get to red (criminal conspiracy). It could have got to orange, or dark orange, but we currently have no way of knowing that. If it had gotten to orange then that would be worrying on a political level, even if it hadn’t reached the high bar of federal crime. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10295 "2019-03-25T22:00:52Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Collusion isn’t a binary yes or no issue. Instead it’s a scale. We know from the public record that it went from green (no collusion) to yellow. The only other thing we know is that it didn’t get to red (criminal conspiracy). It could have got to orange, or dark orange, but we currently have no way of knowing that. If it had gotten to orange then that would be worrying on a political level, even if it hadn’t reached the high bar of federal crime. Yes there are variations of the delusion, which is typical of mass delusions. Right now, I’m at green, no crazy. You’re at a tangerine, still clinging to a variation of nuts. Some others are a deep red, and they are seeing it as they furiously type their increasingly bizarre theories. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10296 "2019-03-25T22:01:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Most reports are saying he found no collusion. Reason to dispute the NYT? Here is where you quoted the report. “He” refers to Mueller. Mueller has said nothing. Please read for comprehension. May I suggest beginning your research with pronouns and their proper use? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10297 "2019-03-25T22:08:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > McConnell just blocked a motion to have the report released to the public. 🙂 Of course, he did. I guess his baby boy’s diaper isn’t clean enough for public viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10298 "2019-03-25T22:09:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Right now, I’m at green, no crazy. So you don’t think evidence for potential collusion even got to yellow? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10299 "2019-03-25T22:11:36Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Most reports are saying he found no collusion. Reason to dispute the NYT? The part of Barr’s letter that quotes the report says, “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” The words conspired and coordinated both have legal significance and refer to specific crimes. The quoted sentence says that some fairly specific crimes could not be established. It doesn’t say anything about collusion because, as has been pointed out repeatedly by Giuliani and others, that collusion is not a crime. Collusive, but apparently non-criminal, activity between members of the Trump campaign and Russians is well documented and that documentation is publicly available. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10300 "2019-03-25T22:26:41Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No actually you’ve made your conclusion without actual evidence. That is the delusion, bud. Apologies for whatever is ailing your mind. I, for one, plan to wait to see what happens, and don’t know what the final result will be. You are free to delude yourself about what I think, as you frequently have, but I’m not sure if it’s good for your health to be so certain that you can read minds. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10301 "2019-03-25T22:28:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I had no idea so many people, especially super-skeptical and evidence-based-decision-maker Democrats, were duped by this con. This will surely rank as one of the biggest mass delusions in American history. What is this con? Do you believe an investigation that led to 34 indictments, many guilty pleas, and prison sentences was just a con? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10302 "2019-03-25T22:30:17Z")
If you guys insist on feeding the troll, at least have the decency to not quote him so the rest of us don’t have to see his idiocy. And good luck! I’m sure you have him on the ropes now and will soon win the argument! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=514) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=516)