# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 518
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10343 "2019-03-26T15:37:30Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > The Republicans who still beat the Clinton drum are far, _ **far** _ more than “a deranged few.” > > The NYT (correctly) states that this is all from Barr’s summary. Not a great hill for Trumpistas to die on. Might want to wait for the full report to be released. Where did I say the source of the NYT claim was not Barr? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10344 "2019-03-26T15:38:56Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > “The investigation led by Robert S. Mueller III found no evidence that President Trump or any of his aides coordinated with the Russian government’s 2016 election interference, according to a summary of the special counsel’s key findings made public on Sunday by Attorney General William P. Barr.“ All we know is that Mueller’s probe didn’t get to the high bar of [level of proof](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1110543428495069185) needed to indict. It’s currently unknowable whether there was criminal collusion, but the level of evidence to conclusively prove this wasn’t reached, or whether there was collusion, with a small “c”, but it didn’t rise to the level of Collusion, with a big “C”, which would be a federal crime. While I believe there was at least some collusion, I’m open-minded as to whether this reached the level of federal crime. I do believe obstruction of justice was, and is, ongoing. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10345 "2019-03-26T15:39:41Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > …Might want to wait for the full report to be released. Would that be just before or just after Hell freezes over? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10346 "2019-03-26T15:42:24Z")
After. Hopefully featuring a McConnell who first burned, then froze in it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10347 "2019-03-26T15:44:25Z")
I think Colbert’s [visual aid](https://youtu.be/Y_7wPf9geSM?t=840) pretty well sums it up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10348 "2019-03-26T15:57:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > [Mueller Report Findings: No Collusion, Can't Exonerate On Obstruction : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706318191/trump-white-house-havent-seen-or-been-briefed-on-mueller-investigation-report) > > NPR headline. “Mueller Report Doesn’t Find Russian Collusion, But Can’t ‘Exonerate’ On Obstruction” > “Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election, according to a summary of findings submitted to Congress by Attorney General William Barr.” As everyone can notice, nothing there against the point made **that Trump will continue with the derangement** about reminding everyone about Clinton’s investigation forever, Democrats will just have to deal with it by investigating the presidents many \*\*other \*\*improprieties. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10349 "2019-03-26T16:02:55Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > All we know is that Mueller’s probe didn’t get to the high bar of [level of proof](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1110543428495069185) needed to indict. It’s currently unknowable whether there was criminal collusion, but the level of evidence to conclusively prove this wasn’t reached, or whether there was collusion, with a small “c”, but it didn’t rise to the level of Collusion, with a big “C”, which would be a federal crime. While I believe there was at least some collusion, I’m open-minded as to whether this reached the level of federal crime. I do believe obstruction of justice was, and is, ongoing. There are many spooks who would love to see trump go. Nothing has come out from them. That’s telling to me. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10350 "2019-03-26T16:04:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Democrats will just have to deal with it by investigating the presidents many \*\*other \*\*improprieties. Yeah that’s my point. They fucked off for too long and many are still hanging on to it. Trump could have been easily taken down on other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10351 "2019-03-26T16:12:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yeah that’s my point. They fucked off for too long and many are still hanging on to it. Trump could have been easily taken down on other stuff. And this sounds a lot like willful ignorance to the fact that the investigation was a self inflicting wound made by Trump and his weapon’s grade naivete regarding the “best people” he chooses. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10352 "2019-03-26T16:18:07Z")
Keep in mind, a lot of that stuff didn’t surface until the investigations got going. Kinda like a winter’s worth of dog shit when the snow melts. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10353 "2019-03-26T16:22:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And this sounds a lot like willful ignorance to the fact that the investigation was a self inflicting wound made by Trump and his weapon’s grade naivete regarding the “best people” he chooses. It wasn’t a wound to trump. He is the victor over everyone who was awaiting Mueller to bring him down. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10354 "2019-03-26T16:27:29Z")
Today. Whatsoever shall go around, therefore shall it come around. It is known. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10355 "2019-03-26T16:49:22Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Call it what you like. Is a good discussion possible with him? Your comments above seem to agree that it’s not. So why engage? > > There are pro-Trump people who can converse. Dacien’s views in the other Mueller report thread piss me off, but he is discussing it in good faith and listening to others, even if I think he’s completely wrong. **WF** isn’t doing that. You know, I think I agree now. I haven’t had much dealing with WF before, but his behavior in this thread indicates you’re right. There is no point engaging him; he simply is immune to actual facts or intelligent arguments. He simply trots out the latest talking point, creates strawmen, and only exists to make himself feel better about supporting a group of racist criminals. And he only feels that when he can create this perception that he’s causing others (usually liberals) pain. Just look at his latest post, which is nothing but idiotic tribalism and is incredibly factually wrong. You were right. I was wrong. Good on you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10356 "2019-03-26T17:06:26Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It wasn’t a wound to trump. He is the victor over everyone who was awaiting Mueller to bring him down. Well thanks for showing your ignorance to all too, I was not one of them; and anyhow, it is indeed just a delusion to think that being forced to dismiss or accept the resignation of so many aids that were involved in criminal activities was a good thing to Trump.\*\* Particularly when he still continues to deny that they did anything improper to this day.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10357 "2019-03-26T19:13:10Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well thanks for showing your ignorance to all too, I was not one of them; and anyhow, it is indeed just a delusion to think that being forced to dismiss or accept the resignation of so many aids that were involved in criminal activities was a good thing to Trump.\*\* Particularly when he still continues to deny that they did anything improper to this day.\*\* Yes you are under the perpetual delusion, along with many of the other posters, that I am interested in defending the president of the US. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10358 "2019-03-26T19:23:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes you are under the perpetual delusion, along with many of the other posters, that I am interested in defending the president of the US. Well, all we have to go on is what you post. Ya got sumptin’ else to offer? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10359 "2019-03-26T19:24:53Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, all we have to go on is what you post. Ya got sumptin’ else to offer? So when I say Trump should be taken down based on his crony deals and obstruction that is something that is beyond the comprehension of the bubbled liberal? The behavior of the deranged has me thinking this ordeal was less about trump and more about warmongering over Russia. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10360 "2019-03-26T19:32:32Z")
You got us there, hoss! All my leftish friends just seethe with war lust for the Russkies! I guess we figured we’d get away with it, but you are just too smart for us. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10361 "2019-03-26T19:41:01Z")
“Better: Red, then Dead.” ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10362 "2019-03-26T19:53:49Z")
I don’t know much about your imaginary friends, but Maddow has indeed been seething with warlust for two years. Trump has dangerously antagonized Russia but his provocations are never enough for her or congressional Democrats like Schiff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=517) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=519)