# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 521
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10403 "2019-03-28T00:24:36Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > That’s an easy one. To keep you focused on it rather than moving on to something else. Then especially if there is nothing of consequence the bigger their gloat when they’re pointing out how much time and money you spent fighting to see nothing. Yep. “Still no Colusion!1!!1” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10404 "2019-03-28T01:10:35Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > That’s an easy one. To keep you focused on it rather than moving on to something else. Then especially if there is nothing of consequence the bigger their gloat when they’re pointing out how much time and money you spent fighting to see nothing. > [@elucidator](#): > > Oh. So, they already _know_ what’s in it? So sure that they can run a gamble like that? Yes, exactly. This particular “explanation” of why Trump-defenders are fighting release of the Mueller report—'_it’s all a clever ploy to get Dems excited about the report’s contents!!!1!!!'_—does depend on the ridiculous premise that Trump-defenders have advance knowledge of the contents. Pretty pathetic, really. But I suppose it’s a bit better than the other tactics they’ve come up with so far, which largely consist of vague intimations that anyone who actually wants to see the Mueller report “should” be ashamed of that wish (for some unspecified reason). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10405 "2019-03-28T01:20:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Just asking here, if Barr’s memo is indeed massively at odds with the content of Mueller’s report, why wouldn’t (or couldn’t) Mueller just say so publicly? He wouldn’t even have to say where the discrepancies are, just that they exist. IIRC his spokespeople have done similar in the past. In the single instance we have of Mueller’s people ‘correcting the record,’ the record they were correcting was a claim by Buzzfeed that someone in Mueller’s office had leaked. _Neither Mueller nor his people have corrected any matters of fact._ They just addressed the accusation (as they saw it) that one of their colleagues had behaved dishonorably (by leaking).\* Mueller is highly unlikely to accuse the Attorney General of the United States of having misspoken or having misled the American people. Mueller is an institutionalist. Challenging a sitting Attorney General in that way is simply something _he does not do_. \*From the NPR account of the Mueller office reaction to the January 2019 Buzzfeed story: > [@](#): > > KEITH: Well, let me just read you the statement from Peter Carr. He’s the spokesperson for the special counsel’s office - the nearly silent spokesman up until now. The quote is, “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements **to the special counsel’s office** and characterization of documents and testimony obtained **by this office** regarding Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony are not accurate.” > > KELLY: And that’s all we know. \*\*They’re not saying what bits are not accurate and whether the overall story is holding up or not. > \*\* > > KEITH: Yeah, they aren’t. > **[Special Counsel Mueller's Office Says 'Buzzfeed' Report Is 'Not Accurate'](https://www.npr.org/2019/01/18/686808444/special-counsel-muellers-office-says-buzzfeed-report-is-not-accurate)** > > Special counsel Robert Mueller's office says a report from Buzzfeed News that alleged President Trump directed his former lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress is "not accurate." my emphasis ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10406 "2019-03-28T01:46:31Z")
OK, fair enough. Thanks, **Sherrerd** , for correcting the record. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10407 "2019-03-28T02:36:10Z")
I think this Barr stuff is a bunch of whitewash bullshit. He was hired by Trump to kill the investigation. He is on record as having said the investigation was garbage before he got hired. He said some circular crap about you can’t say things about a (this) president unless you indict him, but you can’t indict a pesident - or something like that. Trump got rid of Comey. Trump fired Sally yates Trump fired Preet Bharara Trump fired Andrew McCabe Trump fired Sessions Trump dumped Whitaker in favor of Barr Each one, I really believe was fired for failing to kill the investigation. Along comes Barr, and he proclaims his bull fucking shit version of “no collusion”, after we’ve seen it happening, and we’ve seen all the interference and obstetrician right out in the open for the past 2 or 3 years. And we KNOW about all the backchannels and WikiLeaks and how he sold us out at Helsinki (just to mention ONE time). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10408 "2019-03-28T03:09:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > and obstetrician right out in the open Well, there IS a baby involved. A giant, orange one. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10409 "2019-03-28T03:47:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I think this Barr stuff is a bunch of whitewash bullshit. \ I’ll never understand is the gullibility of Trumpian-type right wingers who fall for the bullshit again… and again and again and again. Piss down my back and tell me it’s raining, I’m going to do everything I can to take you out. Trump supporters just smile and enjoy the golden shower. As it were. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10410 "2019-03-28T04:01:41Z")
_“Well, hey, at least it’s golden!”_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10411 "2019-03-28T04:14:09Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ll never understand is the gullibility of Trumpian-type right wingers who fall for the bullshit again… and again and again and again. Piss down my back and tell me it’s raining, I’m going to do everything I can to take you out. Trump supporters just smile and enjoy the golden shower. As it were. But he hugged the flag! And he’s going to make America great again by blaming the poor brown people who don’t even live there yet for the problems caused by rich white people! Don’t you want America to be great again? Do you hate America or something? You must be a commie. Republicans don’t run on facts and knowledge, they are creatures of beliefs and feelings. Understand this and their behaviour begins to make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10412 "2019-03-28T04:31:12Z")
Has everyone read the excellent [article](https://www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-vietnam/) about Mueller’s time in Vietnam? Among many interesting things is this quote: > [@](#): > > For the most part, Mueller skipped such activities, though he was into the era’s music (Creedence Clearwater Revival was—and is—a particular favorite). [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI0cMyyw_M) should be Mueller’s theme tune, or at least the opening theme for the 24-part HBO _Mueller_ TV series that will one day happen about the investigation. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10413 "2019-03-28T06:25:09Z")
Hmmmm … now I have this image of an overweight convict in a cell, playing “Bad Mueller Rising” on an out-of-tune harmonica. Well, I can fantasize, can’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10414 "2019-03-28T10:20:55Z")
Look, folks, it’s quite simple. Have you seen Trump put away the Bibles and hand out autographed copies of the report? No? Well, then, it ain’t as exculpatory as Barr would have you believe. Q. E. frickin’ D! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10415 "2019-03-28T12:22:28Z")
It’s not like the Bible is exculpatory either, as far as Trump is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10416 "2019-03-28T13:33:25Z")
In a surprise move, Trump comes out in favor of additional DOJ and FBI review to figure out what happened when it was decided that [a case ended without exoneration](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1111214993293357056), but with no indictments. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10417 "2019-03-28T13:37:06Z")
1992 _New York Times_ [article](https://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/19/opinion/essay-the-patsy-prosecutor.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1j_9ZvVO5Bj7loXuhEdBXkKsQ0lAMhdotFXnlEVg4l1l7aBFJ2iVRpnD4) describes William Barr as the “the Coverup-General”: > [@](#): > > In a last-ditch maneuver to block an independent investigation into Iraqgate, Attorney General William Barr has hired a so-called “special” counsel. But the man lending his good reputation to this subterfuge can be fired by the very Attorney General he is supposed to investigate. > > Why does the Coverup-General resist independent investigation? Because he knows where it may lead: to Dick Thornburgh, James Baker, Clayton Yeutter, Brent Scowcroft and himself. He vainly hopes to be able to head it off, or at least be able to use the threat of firing to negotiate a deal. > … ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10418 "2019-03-28T13:38:13Z")
So, the President of the United States went on TV and accused the FBI of treasonously plotting a coup against him. That’s normal, right? Happens all the time? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10419 "2019-03-28T15:49:24Z")
[AP sources: Mueller report is more than 300 pages long](https://apnews.com/3c32a41e93884612bb33069ffb22f46f). > [@](#): > > The Justice Department official said Attorney General William Barr discussed the length of the report during a phone call Wednesday with House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerrold Nadler. > > Both the department official and the other person spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the confidential report. > > Nadler, a Democrat from New York, had said Wednesday that the report was fewer than 1,000 pages, though he declined to discuss an exact length. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10420 "2019-03-28T15:50:18Z")
That’s a lot of exonerating! ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10421 "2019-03-28T18:41:25Z")
Bill Barr seems to be like the Republican Party’s Winston Wolfe (Harvey Keitel’s “cleaner” character in _Pulp Fiction_). ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10422 "2019-03-28T18:43:07Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Bill Barr seems to be like the Republican Party’s Winston Wolfe (Harvey Keitel’s “cleaner” character in _Pulp Fiction_). If he sprays Trump with a cold hose, I’m ok with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=520) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=522)