# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 532
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10623 "2019-04-09T22:11:29Z")
…I never banged those strippers! (though they are silenced by gag orders) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10624 "2019-04-09T22:19:46Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > …I never banged those strippers! (though they are silenced by gag orders) If they were paid to be with Trump, I don’t think they needed to be ordered to gag. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10625 "2019-04-09T22:45:15Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Probably more like [this](https://pics.mcclatchyinteractive.com/incoming/vm9e4i/picture228849999/alternates/FREE_960/SIERS040519.jpg). It is good. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10626 "2019-04-09T22:56:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It doesn’t matter what’s in the report. It does - not - matter – at all. > > What matters is whether or not Americans have incomes. If they have the same level of income they have now, and if they have faith that they might be able to make the rent payment on a regular basis, Trump will win – doesn’t matter if the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson runs against him. > > On the other hand, if there’s another Great Depression, Trump will probably reach an agreement with Pelosi to let him and his family live in Monaco or Switzerland. I disagree. This has traditionally been true in politics, and it would most likely be true if Trump had done the “pivot” to “acting presidential” once he actually won the election. But he is sui generis, and can’t help being himself; and this is why Republicans took such a drubbing last fall even with a strong economy and low gas prices. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10627 "2019-04-09T23:07:55Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I saw on CNN a little while ago that the redactions will actually be color-coded: > Say blue for grand jury stuff, red for classified, green for unrelated individuals’ private info… > :rolleyes: > Except, as one of the lawyers pointed out, the redactions come with explanations as to why they were redacted. > Look at the shiny colors! > Although to be fair, it might be useful visually to see what the categories are and their percentages. You’d assume that the color-coding was honest? I’d bet that it won’t be. Of course it depends on how certain Barr is that he’d get away with lying—that the full report will never be seen by anyone, and that Mueller and his team will go on with their dignified silence, forevermore. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > …Congress is entitled to see the entire report, unredacted and with all supporting indices attached. IMHO, we need to keep the pressure on by attending every gathering/march that supports its release. > > I also believe Trump is gutting DHS in an effort to create distractions away from Mueller, his report and the House Ways and Means committee’s demand for Trump’s tax returns. Let’s not let it work. Yes and yes. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10628 "2019-04-09T23:12:36Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I saw on CNN a little while ago that the redactions will actually be color-coded: > Say blue for grand jury stuff, red for classified, green for unrelated individuals’ private info… > > :rolleyes: > > Except, as one of the lawyers pointed out, the redactions come with explanations as to why they were redacted. > > Look at the shiny colors! > > Although to be fair, it might be useful visually to see what the categories are and their percentages. [Here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3uA725X4AEBtqo.jpg:large)’s a useful Mueller Report Color Redaction Key. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10629 "2019-04-09T23:47:41Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [Here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3uA725X4AEBtqo.jpg:large)’s a useful Mueller Report Color Redaction Key. Your link is broken. This one works: [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3uA725X4AEBtqo.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3uA725X4AEBtqo.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10630 "2019-04-09T23:54:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [Like this?](https://imgur.com/guRPEBl) > **[Redaction of Mueller Report Halted as Barr Passes Out from Sharpie Fumes](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/redaction-of-mueller-report-halted-as-barr-passes-out-from-sharpie-fumes)** > > “You cannot use that many Sharpies, for hours on end, without proper ventilation,” a Justice Department staffer said. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10631 "2019-04-10T00:57:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But whether it’s China or the US, people have a bottom line. Government is a social contract, and ultimately, people will tolerate living in a society that is less free provided that their necessities are being met far longer than living in a society that appears to be free but where access essential resources is uncertain. And there’s the issue in China of “the two Chinas”–and I’m not talking about PRC vs. ROC. There’s the eastern part of the country with the cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, etc. where the country’s wealth is concentrated, and then there’s the western part of the country where there’s barely any wealth at all in vast stretches. The folks in the east seem to be quite content with TPTB since those folks are enjoying the economy. Folks in the west? Not so happy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10632 "2019-04-10T01:00:22Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > [Redaction of Mueller Report Halted as Barr Passes Out from Sharpie Fumes | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/redaction-of-mueller-report-halted-as-barr-passes-out-from-sharpie-fumes) :D:D ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10633 "2019-04-10T01:11:57Z")
Well, Barr appears to be working with Nunes and is planning to start a competing investigation to Michael Horowitz’s review of whether there was any bias behind the choices made while investigating Trump. Given that there’s the IG investigation already underway, I see no non-corrupt reason to start such an initiative. I wasn’t super optimistic that he would be great, but Barr did seem to have had GHW Bush’s blessing from back in the day and Rosenstein seemed to think he was on the side of good, at last report. And, purportedly, he’s a friend of Robert Mueller. But those tidbits of encouragement seem to have been optimistic. I’m not quite sure what to make of him. Potentially, he’s just a fanatic for Constitutional theory that makes the Executive an untouchable godling, regardless of all other considerations. But I feel like even such a fervor wouldn’t drive one into the hands of Devin Nunes nor completely blind to the serious crimes that were almost certainly contained in the Mueller Report as having been referred for further investigation. I’m getting a tingle matching that of Dershowitz and Graham, where they seem to be acting out of character for what would otherwise seem to be fairly reasonable people. If I was the news media, I’d go hunting for skeletons that might be lurking in that man’s closet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10634 "2019-04-10T03:55:16Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I saw on CNN a little while ago that the redactions will actually be color-coded: > Say blue for grand jury stuff, red for classified, green for unrelated individuals’ private info… > > :rolleyes: > > Except, as one of the lawyers pointed out, the redactions come with explanations as to why they were redacted. > > Look at the shiny colors! > > Although to be fair, it might be useful visually to see what the categories are and their percentages. I know what my next party game is going to be: Mueller Report Mad Libs! > [@MovieMogul](#): > > Of course it all started with: > > “I’m Rich!!!” (but you can’t see my tax returns) > > “I’m a Genius!!!” (but you can’t see my transcripts) > > And looking to the future: “We have the bestest Health Care plan!!!” (but you can’t see it until after the election). Remember way back when certain people (Republicans) were bitching about Obama not releasing his transcripts and how that showed he wasn’t ever a student at the places he said he was? > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > If they were paid to be with Trump, I don’t think they needed to be ordered to gag. Of course the hookers needed to be ordered to gag. Ain’t no way 'twas possible to deepthroat Dinky Trumpy. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10635 "2019-04-10T13:49:20Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I disagree. This has traditionally been true in politics, and it would most likely be true if Trump had done the “pivot” to “acting presidential” once he actually won the election. But he is sui generis, and can’t help being himself; and this is why Republicans took such a drubbing last fall even with a strong economy and low gas prices. I hope you’re right but, as I have said before, Trump’s support has eroded as much as it is going to. The Democrats need to woo the Apathy Party next round, not the Republicans who are (pardon the expression) left. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10636 "2019-04-10T14:25:21Z")
From what I gathered from Barr’s testimony yesterday, a “clean” summary by Mueller is a part of the full report and shouldn’t require any redaction. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10637 "2019-04-10T20:57:14Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well, Barr appears to be working with Nunes and is planning to start a competing investigation to Michael Horowitz’s review of whether there was any bias behind the choices made while investigating Trump. Given that there’s the IG investigation already underway, I see no non-corrupt reason to start such an initiative. So, to summarize, Barr is starting an investigation into whether the FBI initiated an investigation against Trump with no evidence based on no evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10638 "2019-04-10T21:03:44Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > So, to summarize, Barr is starting an investigation into whether the FBI initiated an investigation against Trump with no evidence based on no evidence. I’ve felt for some time like I’m flying on a hijacked plane. Now I feel like the nose has begun to point downward. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10639 "2019-04-10T23:59:23Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well, Barr appears to be working with Nunes and is planning to start a competing investigation to Michael Horowitz’s review of whether there was any bias behind the choices made while investigating Trump. Given that there’s the IG investigation already underway, I see no non-corrupt reason to start such an initiative. > > I wasn’t super optimistic that he would be great, but Barr did seem to have had GHW Bush’s blessing from back in the day and Rosenstein seemed to think he was on the side of good, at last report. And, purportedly, he’s a friend of Robert Mueller. But those tidbits of encouragement seem to have been optimistic. > > I’m not quite sure what to make of him. Potentially, he’s just a fanatic for Constitutional theory that makes the Executive an untouchable godling, regardless of all other considerations. But I feel like even such a fervor wouldn’t drive one into the hands of Devin Nunes nor completely blind to the serious crimes that were almost certainly contained in the Mueller Report as having been referred for further investigation. > > I’m getting a tingle matching that of Dershowitz and Graham, where they seem to be acting out of character for what would otherwise seem to be fairly reasonable people. If I was the news media, I’d go hunting for skeletons that might be lurking in that man’s closet. Today’s testimony, combined with that we were hit with yesterday, seems to confirm that Barr has gone Full Toady. Yes, could be a reason worth looking for (other than that he gets off on feeling like the handmaiden to the High and Mighty Emperor). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10640 "2019-04-11T01:18:12Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Today’s testimony, combined with that we were hit with yesterday, seems to confirm that Barr has gone Full Toady. > > Yes, could be a reason worth looking for (other than that he gets off on feeling like the handmaiden to the High and Mighty Emperor). So help me, I’m starting to get nostalgic for the Sessions era. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10641 "2019-04-11T01:21:11Z")
Is this surprising? Did anyone not expect Trump and the GOP to assault democracy and the rule of law? Isn’t this what I’ve been trying to tell you? p.s. If you think it stops here, and that the House democrats can stop him, think again. YOU have to stop him. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/10642 "2019-04-11T01:25:05Z")
None of this will change without mass protests. And there probably won’t be any until the economy collapses, because the economy’s the one criterion we use to evaluate the president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=531) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=533)