# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 554
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11063 "2019-04-30T20:58:36Z")
Washington Post- may be paywalled for you. > **[Democrats accuse Trump ally Erik Prince of lying to Congress, refer case to...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/schiff-says-house-will-make-a-criminal-referral-of-trump-ally-erik-prince-for-possible-perjury/2019/04/30/fca8a4de-6b49-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.d39dc68b381c)** > > The Intelligence Committee chairman pointed to testimony about a meeting with a Russian financier in the Seychelles islands. "House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said Tuesday that his panel would make a criminal referral to the Justice Department regarding potential false testimony by Erik Prince, the billionaire founder of the private military contractor Blackwater and an ally of President Trump. … Prince later told congressional officials examining Russia’s interference in the presidential election that the meeting happened by chance and was not taken at the behest of the incoming administration — testimony that congressional Democrats now think was false. Prince told special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators a version of the Seychelles meeting that is at odds in several key respects with his sworn testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in November 2017. [![](https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/s9TEuMFIN545MXN5RLZzWIgiLm4=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6P3VBMTLJQI6TJTNVAWT6PMW2U.jpg) ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/s9TEuMFIN545MXN5RLZzWIgiLm4=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6P3VBMTLJQI6TJTNVAWT6PMW2U.jpg) Erik Prince, the founder and chief executive of Blackwater Worldwide, in 2008. (Gerry Broome/AP) “We know from the Mueller report that that was not a chance meeting,” Schiff told Post reporter Robert Costa during an interview at the event. “We know there were communications after he returned.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11064 "2019-04-30T21:00:04Z")
Can’t edit- copy and paste got the jpg too. It’s a picture of Eric Prince. No need to click. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11065 "2019-04-30T21:45:49Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Washington Post- may be paywalled for you. > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/schiff-says-house-will-make-a-criminal-referral-of-trump-ally-erik-prince-for-possible-perjury/2019/04/30/fca8a4de-6b49-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5\_story.html?utm\_term=.d39dc68b381c](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/schiff-says-house-will-make-a-criminal-referral-of-trump-ally-erik-prince-for-possible-perjury/2019/04/30/fca8a4de-6b49-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.d39dc68b381c) > > "House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said Tuesday that his panel would make a criminal referral to the Justice Department regarding potential false testimony by Erik Prince, the billionaire founder of the private military contractor Blackwater and an ally of President Trump. > … > Prince later told congressional officials examining Russia’s interference in the presidential election that the meeting happened by chance and was not taken at the behest of the incoming administration — testimony that congressional Democrats now think was false. > Prince told special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators a version of the Seychelles meeting that is at odds in several key respects with his sworn testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in November 2017. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/s9TEuMFIN545MXN5RLZzWIgiLm4=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6P3VBMTLJQI6TJTNVAWT6PMW2U.jpg](https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/s9TEuMFIN545MXN5RLZzWIgiLm4=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6P3VBMTLJQI6TJTNVAWT6PMW2U.jpg) > > Erik Prince, the founder and chief executive of Blackwater Worldwide, in 2008. (Gerry Broome/AP) > “We know from the Mueller report that that was not a chance meeting,” Schiff told Post reporter Robert Costa during an interview at the event. “We know there were communications after he returned.” With any luck, they can drag his sister into it. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11066 "2019-04-30T21:59:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > With any luck, they can drag his sister into it. While I’ll grant that I know little to nothing about Erik and Betsy’s relationship, I would doubt that he keeps her up to date with his various questionable foreign business and political machinations. He is a security contractor by profession so, questionable morals aside, we would still expect that he knows how to keep things under a wrap. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11067 "2019-04-30T23:09:34Z")
Tomorrow is the deadline for the subpoenaed unredacted Mueller report. Will Congress receive it? Tomorrow, Attorney General Barr is scheduled to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Will he turn up, given that he has says he will not testify in the format the committees wish to use? Meanwhile, Democratic Senators have called on the Justice Department’s inspector general to [investigate Attorney General Barr’s](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/30/william-barr-investigation-mueller-1293214) handling of the Mueller report. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11068 "2019-04-30T23:17:23Z")
Well, this is awkward: Mueller[told the attorney general](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/04/30/mueller-told-the-attorney-general-that-the-depiction-of-his-findings-failed-to-capture-context-nature-and-substance-of-probe/?utm_term=.8832fe59d886) that the depiction of his findings failed to capture ‘context, nature, and substance’ of probe. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11069 "2019-04-30T23:22:17Z")
I can’t find the story yet, but MSNBC is now breaking news that the Washington Post is publishing a story that Mueller sent a letter to Barr saying that Barr’s remarks in advance of his release of the Mueller report failed to capture the “context, nature and substance of the probe.” The letter was sent after Barr released his letter summary-that-wasn’t-a-summary. Mueller apparently also indicated that Barr directly contradicted Mueller’s views, that in fact the only reason he, Mueller, did not indict Trump on obstruction charges was because of the DOJ policy prohibiting it. Barr said exactly the opposite at his press conference. Wow. ETA: Ninja’d by **Fiveyearlurker** , and well done – you have the link to the story! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11070 "2019-04-30T23:24:19Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Wow. > > ETA: Ninja’d by **Fiveyearlurker** , and well done – you have the link to the story! The “story” is not much longer than the title yet though. On edit, they expanded it. Pretty sure that I expressed disbelief that the Republican party would be so brazen as to have an AG lie about the report. I apologize for underestimating their slime. It won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11071 "2019-04-30T23:32:39Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I can’t find the story yet, but MSNBC is now breaking news that the Washington Post is publishing a story that Mueller sent a letter to Barr saying that Barr’s remarks in advance of his release of the Mueller report failed to capture the “context, nature and substance of the probe.” > > The letter was sent after Barr released his letter summary-that-wasn’t-a-summary. > > Mueller apparently also indicated that Barr directly contradicted Mueller’s views, that in fact the only reason he, Mueller, did not indict Trump on obstruction charges was because of the DOJ policy prohibiting it. Barr said exactly the opposite at his press conference. > > Wow. > > ETA: Ninja’d by **Fiveyearlurker** , and well done – you have the link to the story! Yep. **steronz** , are you still dying on the hill of Barr having accurately conveyed the findings of the Mueller report? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11072 "2019-04-30T23:35:09Z")
Not to mention that nobody asked him to write a summary in the first damn place. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11073 "2019-04-30T23:35:12Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Well, this is awkward: > > Mueller[told the attorney general](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/04/30/mueller-told-the-attorney-general-that-the-depiction-of-his-findings-failed-to-capture-context-nature-and-substance-of-probe/?utm_term=.8832fe59d886) that the depiction of his findings failed to capture ‘context, nature, and substance’ of probe. Some highlights in case you’re not going behind the _Post’s_ paywall: > [@](#): > > Days after Barr’s announcement, Mueller wrote a previously unknown private letter to the Justice Department, which revealed a degree of dissatisfaction with the public discussion of Mueller’s work that shocked senior Justice Department officials, according to people familiar with the discussions. > > “The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office’s work and conclusions,” Mueller wrote. “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.” > > … > > Justice Department officials said Tuesday they were taken aback by the tone of Mueller’s letter, and it came as a surprise to them that he had such concerns. Until they received the letter, they believed Mueller was in agreement with them on the process of reviewing the report and redacting certain types of information, a process that took several weeks. Barr has testified to Congress previously that Mueller declined the opportunity to review his four-page letter to lawmakers that distilled the essence of the special counsel’s findings. > > … > > When Barr pressed him whether he thought Barr’s letter was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not, but felt that the media coverage of the letter was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said. > > In their call, Barr also took issue with Mueller calling his letter a “summary,” saying he had never meant his letter to summarize the voluminous report, but instead provide an account of the top conclusions, officials said. > > … > > _Throughout the conversation, Mueller’s main worry was that the public was not getting an accurate understanding of the obstruction investigation, officials said._ [my italics] Yeah, the last quoted bit is the whole reason Trump selected Barr. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11074 "2019-04-30T23:51:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yep. > > **steronz** , are you still dying on the hill of Barr having accurately conveyed the findings of the Mueller report? How could you think that even before this. Barr said the decision no to indict didn’t have anything to do with DOJ guidelines about a sitting president and the report said that’s the only reason they didn’t indict. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11075 "2019-04-30T23:59:56Z")
That Mueller would be unhappy with how the report was portrayed by Barr is, I think, something that all Mueller watchers would have known, but having this information out in the open and on record feels like a significant moment. It’s a bit like when space scientists recently took a photograph of a black hole, therefore finally allowing them to prove to the masses that their zany ideas were, in fact, reality. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11076 "2019-05-01T00:01:29Z")
I still find it kind of amazing that so many mainstream journalists just assumed that Barr was being accurate in his letter and statements about the Mueller report. Why would anyone with half a brain assume this administration is being honest and accurate about something that could be profoundly damaging? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11077 "2019-05-01T00:05:38Z")
I’m opening that wine tonight. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11078 "2019-05-01T00:13:54Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m opening that wine tonight. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11079 "2019-05-01T00:43:47Z")
> > > Rep. Nadler @RepJerryNadler Barr may have committed perjury, if I’m reading this correctly (and it accurately represents the sequence of events). ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11080 "2019-05-01T01:14:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m opening that wine tonight. Here’s to you, Mr Mueller! Enjoy. 😃 You might want to save a glass for tomorrow - it could be quite a day. I was thinking that Bob Mueller’s a bit like cross between Atticus Finch and Boo Radley. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11081 "2019-05-01T01:25:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1123378879178133504](https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1123378879178133504) > > Barr may have committed perjury, if I’m reading this correctly (and it accurately represents the sequence of events). Certainly it looks reasonable to require Barr to recuse himself from oversight of any and all ongoing investigations that arose from the work of the Special Counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11082 "2019-05-01T01:31:17Z")
The report on Rachel is that Mueller sent Barr a letter expressing his unhappiness with Barr’s significant misrepresentation of the report’s conclusions and the two men also had a phone call. This was several weeks before Barr testified that he wasn’t aware that Mueller had any issues with Barr’s summary-not-a-summary. So yes. Barr, the Attorney General of the United States, our **chief law enforcement officer** , knowingly and deliberately committed perjury before the Senate. The sad thing is that the Republicans in the Senate are unlikely to do anything about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=553) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=555)