# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 555
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11083 "2019-05-01T01:42:24Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Here’s to you, Mr Mueller! Enjoy. 😃 > > You might want to save a glass for tomorrow - it could be quite a day. > > I was thinking that Bob Mueller’s a bit like cross between Atticus Finch and Boo Radley. LOL, as pleased as I am to have finally heard from Himself how dissatisfied Mueller is at Barr’s shenanigans with his findings/report, I’m not up to drinking a whole bottle in one night. There will be plenty left over for tomorrow. I like your description of Mueller. Although I think he is a _bit_ more comfortable in public than Boo Radley. \ 😃 MSNBC also reported tonight that Mueller’s employment with the DOJ will be concluded within “a few days.” Barr has said he would not prohibit Mueller from testifying to Congress. I’ma gonna guess that Nadler and/or Cummings will subpoena Mueller to testify tout suite. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11084 "2019-05-01T01:50:28Z")
Thought [this](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/?utm_source=pocket-newtab) was a nice article by Lawfare’s Ben Witte summarizing many aspects of the Mueller report. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11085 "2019-05-01T02:22:11Z")
So what’s the procedure for impeaching an Attorney General? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11086 "2019-05-01T02:22:27Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > The report on Rachel is that Mueller sent Barr a letter expressing his unhappiness with Barr’s significant misrepresentation of the report’s conclusions and the two men also had a phone call. This was several weeks before Barr testified that he wasn’t aware that Mueller had any issues with Barr’s summary-not-a-summary. > > So yes. Barr, the Attorney General of the United States, our **chief law enforcement officer** , knowingly and deliberately committed perjury before the Senate. > > The sad thing is that the Republicans in the Senate are unlikely to do anything about it. I find it quite likely that Republican politicians and the Mouth Of Sauron (Fox News) are going to double down, and accuse Mueller of Treason and call for his arrest and execution. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11087 "2019-05-01T02:49:53Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m opening that wine tonight. I’ve waited so long to read you say that. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11088 "2019-05-01T02:57:53Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > So what’s the procedure for impeaching an Attorney General? Additionally, what’s the procedure for getting an attorney disbarred in DC? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11089 "2019-05-01T03:11:55Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > The report on Rachel… This “Rachel” of whom you speak…? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11090 "2019-05-01T03:24:43Z")
Btw, it’s my guess that the reference to misleading media reports made by Mueller refers to Fox News, Glenn Greenwald, Limbaugh, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11091 "2019-05-01T03:36:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > This “Rachel” of whom you speak…? Rachel Maddow. \You knew that, right?\ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11092 "2019-05-01T03:42:42Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’ve waited so long to read you say that. Thanks. 🙂 It does feel as if a wee moment worthy of celebration finally arrived. Chuck Rosenberg, former US Attorney and Chief of Staff to Mueller, explained. He said there is a term used at DOJ for what Mueller did when he wrote his letter. The term is, ‘going to paper.’ When you ‘go to paper,’ you’re not writing to the person who is the recipient of your letter. You’re writing to create an historical context for the world at large. I believe when Mueller wrote his letter, he was making it clear he intended to fight for his investigation, its integrity and its rightful place in history. I think it’s a significant turning point. Barr’s partisanship is so baldly obvious, he is going to have to answer for it sooner or later. Probably won’t be by impeachment/removal, however. The process is identical for impeaching/removing an AG as it is for impeaching/removing a president. I hope the demands for Barr’s resignation grow louder and louder. He is a dishonest broker who has made a mockery of his office. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11093 "2019-05-01T03:52:31Z")
Nothing will happen as a result of this. Nothing will ever happen if it has to go through the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11094 "2019-05-01T05:02:54Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Nothing will happen as a result of this. Nothing will ever happen if it has to go through the GOP. Absolutely true. The GOP is now fully in bed with a traitorous bunch who have worked with a hostile foreign power to win an election. They’re all-in at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11095 "2019-05-01T05:26:45Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Nothing will happen as a result of this. Nothing will ever happen if it has to go through the GOP. I agree with your second sentence, but not your first. Things are happening. People are getting pretty fed up and angry. Let’s hope it’s enough. You’re certainly correct that the GOP will do nothing – except continue to hope for and do all they can to facilitate another illegitimate election in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11096 "2019-05-01T07:33:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Certainly it looks reasonable to require Barr to recuse himself from oversight of any and all ongoing investigations that arose from the work of the Special Counsel. Thank you. For the life of me, I haven’t been able to work out what Barr’s long game was. Now it looks self-evident; he wanted oversight of the multitude of other federal investigations of the squatter-in-chief in order to quash them. It’s not out of loyalty to iDJiT (he probably considers him an incompetent buffoon) but in the service of the principle of the unitary executive. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11097 "2019-05-01T07:34:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1123378879178133504](https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1123378879178133504) > > Barr may have committed perjury, if I’m reading this correctly (and it accurately represents the sequence of events). If Congress started to charge members of the Executive branch for perjury, every time that they committed perjury, I don’t know that our government would be able to continue functioning. I don’t mean that as a joke. If you watch a few hearings (particularly in the House), it seems pretty clear that a lot of people ask for stuff that they really shouldn’t have. Like, technically, yeah as part of their oversight role they should have access to everything, but if someone is asking for information about his political enemies or about an investigation into himself or his friends, you sort of don’t want to give that to him. Or, likewise, if you’re trying to arrange plans to counter-hack Russia, you don’t really want to talk about it with Dana Rohrabacher sitting in session - behind closed doors or not. The Constitutional role of Congress, the laws of Congressional oversight, and the rules of Congress all aside, there’s some practical reality that forces most of the people in the Executive branch to lie to Congress as a regular matter, even in the best of times, just because Congress has some hardcore idiots in it. If they had to tell the truth, it would likely be damaging to the country in most circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11098 "2019-05-01T07:39:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Certainly it looks reasonable to require Barr to recuse himself from oversight of any and all ongoing investigations that arose from the work of the Special Counsel. Conceptually, I’d say that’s one of the more reasonable and unimpeachable proposals that I’ve seen as regards Barr. I just hesitate because I’m not sure who everything falls to in this case. In theory, it would be Jeff Rosen - and I have to doubt that Trump hasn’t learned his lesson that when it comes to the DOJ he needs to do more than just take a name handed to him by Don McGahn or whoever else and rubber stamp it so long as the person looks the role - so while I know very little about Rosen, I’m trepidatious of the unknown. But, it seems plausible that Rosen would be forced to recuse as well and then…well who knows where that ball lands. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11099 "2019-05-01T09:04:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Well, this is awkward: > > Mueller[told the attorney general](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/04/30/mueller-told-the-attorney-general-that-the-depiction-of-his-findings-failed-to-capture-context-nature-and-substance-of-probe/?utm_term=.8832fe59d886) that the depiction of his findings failed to capture ‘context, nature, and substance’ of probe. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I can’t find the story yet, but MSNBC is now breaking news that the Washington Post is publishing a story that Mueller sent a letter to Barr saying that Barr’s remarks in advance of his release of the Mueller report failed to capture the “context, nature and substance of the probe.” > > The letter was sent after Barr released his letter summary-that-wasn’t-a-summary. > > Mueller apparently also indicated that Barr directly contradicted Mueller’s views, that in fact the only reason he, Mueller, did not indict Trump on obstruction charges was because of the DOJ policy prohibiting it. Barr said exactly the opposite at his press conference. Well, I’m sure all this will put at ease any individual who had previously expressed in this thread the view that Mueller would speak up if he felt that the report was being misrepresented by Barr. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11100 "2019-05-01T12:36:59Z")
I can always tell when something juicy has come out when I wake up to see talking fatheads like Newt Gingrich using the Fox News butthorn to whine long and loud— not about substance or accuracy, but that [new revelation] is a politically motivated hit job by [Democrats and/or the fact-based media] for the sole purpose of embarrassing [Trump and/or one of his amoral bootlicking suck-ups]. Even given that nothing will escape but hot air (or a fouler gas), I hope Barr gets the pincushion treatment he so desperately deserves. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11101 "2019-05-01T13:08:11Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Pretty sure that I expressed disbelief that the Republican party would be so brazen as to have an AG lie about the report. I apologize for underestimating their slime. It won’t happen again. It’s because, like me, you tend toward the optimistic view that they have, at last, reached bottom. The Pubs have no bottom. Truly, they are…assless chaps. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11102 "2019-05-01T13:21:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > …Chuck Rosenberg, former US Attorney and Chief of Staff to Mueller, explained. He said there is a term used at DOJ for what Mueller did when he wrote his letter. The term is, ‘going to paper.’ When you ‘go to paper,’ you’re not writing to the person who is the recipient of your letter. You’re writing to create an historical context for the world at large. > … At one place I worked, we called this “Memorandum for Record.” > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > … rubber stamp it so long as the person looks the role … In thump’s case, the depth of his understanding of qualifications is limited to “no facial hair.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=554) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=556)