# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 556
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11103 "2019-05-01T14:01:42Z")
The actual [letter](https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1123584968960172033) is out. Interesting to note that the DOJ spin on the letter contained within those two articles that came out last night even seems to be misleading. They stressed that Mueller was upset about how the media was spinning Barr’s remarks. The media is not mentioned once in his letter. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11104 "2019-05-01T14:09:07Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Btw, it’s my guess that the reference to misleading media reports made by Mueller refers to Fox News, Glenn Greenwald, Limbaugh, etc. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The actual [letter](https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1123584968960172033) is out. Interesting to note that the DOJ spin on the letter contained within those two articles that came out last night even seems to be misleading. They stressed that Mueller was upset about how the media was spinning Barr’s remarks. The media is not mentioned once in his letter. When I wrote the above, I was responding to shit I was reading by such of conservative Twitterati like Michael Tracey, Glenn Greenwald, and others, who kept making this “Mueller says the media is distorting the letter/report” argument. Stupid me for actually thinking these people were referring to an actual reference and not just assuming they were lying through and through. Also note that the letter refers to two enclosed summaries, ready for public consumption, which Barr apparently mislead Congress about as well. I assume these summaries are still unreleased? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11105 "2019-05-01T14:13:48Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I can always tell when something juicy has come out when I wake up to see You forgot to mention when you wake up to see the Twitterer in Chief has wore out his thumbs from all the tweets and retweets. Not going to count the retweets, but there has to be at least 50 this morning. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11106 "2019-05-01T14:19:17Z")
Lindsey Buttkiss Graham is now whining about Hillary’s emails. That’s all they got? ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11107 "2019-05-01T14:21:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I assume these summaries are still unreleased? My reading of his letter is that he is talking about the introduction and executive summaries for both Volume I and Volume II that are contained in the full released report (albeit with some redactions, which is kind of interesting as it raises the question of whether Mueller felt everything in the introduction and executive summaries could be released without redactions). ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11108 "2019-05-01T14:22:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Lindsey Buttkiss Graham is now whining about Hillary’s emails. That’s all they got? Ha! I was just rolling my eyes at that. emails! That’s the real treason! Not the, at the least, attempted collusion with Russians. After all, as Rudy said, what’s wrong with getting dirt from Russians to hurt your opponent in the presidential election. And, never mind Trump and associates using unsecured personal phones, email accounts, and servers themselves. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11109 "2019-05-01T14:23:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The actual [letter](https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1123584968960172033) is out. Interesting to note that the DOJ spin on the letter contained within those two articles that came out last night even seems to be misleading. They stressed that Mueller was upset about how the media was spinning Barr’s remarks. The media is not mentioned once in his letter. If I’m reading it correctly, it’s considerably worse even then originally reported last night. Mueller purposefully provided a detailed and pre-redacted executive summary that was meant for both Congress and public consumption, and Barr deliberately refused to release it in full. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11110 "2019-05-01T14:25:28Z")
> [@2nd\_Law](#): > > Additionally, what’s the procedure for getting an attorney disbarred in DC? If they disbarred Barr, what would be left? He would be nameless. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11111 "2019-05-01T14:31:33Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > …But, it seems plausible that Rosen would be forced to recuse as well and then…well who knows where that ball lands. The entire snake pit will have to recuse. There are so many strings attached to each other it’s like letting a bunch of feral cats lose in a yarn store. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11112 "2019-05-01T14:32:12Z")
Gotcha. Appreciate the clarification, **jshore** So, looking at this timeline and reading between the lines: 3-5: Mueller meets with Barr, says the summaries to be produced will be an accurate representation of the investigation and will be ready for public/Congressional consumption right away. 3-22: The report is delivered, along with the summaries. 3-24 (Sunday, early afternoon): Mueller thinks that Barr is screwing things up, so he “reiterates” his position a couple of hours _prior_ to 3-24 (Sunday, late afternoon): Barr releasing _his_ summary, and not Mueller’s. This pisses Mueller off so much that the very next day, on 3-25 (Monday, morning): Mueller relays their concern… not just to Barr, but to the entire “department”. Apparently, Mueller was not fully satisfied with the reaction, so he 3-26 (Tuesday) pens this letter, and then 3-27 Sends it to Barr ASAP. And he did this knowing there would be a near-certain probability that the damn thing would be released. And it was - right before Barr’s hearing to the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11113 "2019-05-01T14:47:04Z")
… and then the Justice department goes on to misrepresent’s Mueller’s letter: \*\*Fiveyearlurker \*\*said > [@](#): > > The actual letter is out. Interesting to note that the DOJ spin on the letter contained within those two articles that came out last night even seems to be misleading. They stressed that Mueller was upset about how the media was spinning Barr’s remarks. The media is not mentioned once in his letter. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11114 "2019-05-01T14:48:44Z")
I’m listening to Barr at the House hearing. There seems to be an interesting divergence between everything we have seen in the report and Mueller’s just released letter and what Barr claims Mueller has told him in various personal conversations. Either Mueller talks very differently to Barr than what he writes or Barr is consistently misinterpreting what Mueller says. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11115 "2019-05-01T14:53:53Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > I’m listening to Barr at the House hearing. There seems to be an interesting divergence between everything we have seen in the report and Mueller’s just released letter and what Barr claims Mueller has told him in various personal conversations. Either Mueller talks very differently to Barr than what he writes or Barr is consistently misinterpreting what Mueller says. Nitpick- it’s a Senate hearing. I think it’s pretty much established that Barr is entirely willing to misrepresent anything said by anyone at any time, so long as it helps his orange boss. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11116 "2019-05-01T15:01:19Z")
Why the focus on Barr’s summary of the report? The report is out. We don’t need to rely on the summary anymore. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11117 "2019-05-01T15:05:17Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Why the focus on Barr’s summary of the report? The report is out. We don’t need to rely on the summary anymore. Because his summary was deliberately designed to put the most positive spin possible on Donald’s obstruction of justice. He was acting as a personal lawyer and not as the AG. He must resign. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11118 "2019-05-01T15:08:16Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Why the focus on Barr’s summary of the report? The report is out. We don’t need to rely on the summary anymore. Two questions: (1) Is the report out? Or just the redacted report? (2) Do YOU understand why Barr’s premature “summary” is considered important by those who follow the trends of American political debate? (We’ll need you to limit the scope of your ignorance before we can help you with your questions.) ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11119 "2019-05-01T15:17:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Because his summary was deliberately designed to put the most positive spin possible on Donald’s obstruction of justice. He was acting as a personal lawyer and not as the AG. He must resign. Lol if political appointees resigned for putting “positive spin” on a bureaucratic report, we’d have even more turnover. Welcome to politics, bud. > [@septimus](#): > > Two questions: > (1) Is the report out? Or just the redacted report? > (2) Do YOU understand why Barr’s premature “summary” is considered important by those who follow the trends of American political debate? (We’ll need you to limit the scope of your ignorance before we can help you with your questions.) 1. The stupendous, unerring, redacted Mueller report is out. Does that cover all the adjectives you desire? 2. yes I understand why the deranged segment of the anti-Trumpets ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11120 "2019-05-01T15:21:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (We’ll need you to limit the scope of your ignorance before we can help you with your questions.) It’s one thing to aim high, but let’s not waste time setting unattainable goals. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11121 "2019-05-01T15:21:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Because his summary was deliberately designed to put the most positive spin possible on Donald’s obstruction of justice. He was acting as a personal lawyer and not as the AG. He must resign. Lol if political appointees resigned for putting “positive spin” on a bureaucratic report, we’d have even more turnover. Welcome to politics, bud. > [@septimus](#): > > Two questions: > (1) Is the report out? Or just the redacted report? > (2) Do YOU understand why Barr’s premature “summary” is considered important by those who follow the trends of American political debate? (We’ll need you to limit the scope of your ignorance before we can help you with your questions.) 1. The stupendous, unerring, redacted Mueller report is out. Does that cover all the adjectives you desire? 2. I understand why the deranged segment of the anti-Trumpers are focusing on minutiae. The stupendous, unerring, redacted Mueller report was a dud and they can’t get any more of that good Russia conspiracy high they used to get from NPR’s daily reports on it. They cannot let it stand that after two years of ceaseless Russian conspiracies in the headlines and before a return to said conspiracy-mongering there was a lone blip of media coverage that ran counter to the fantastical narrative. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11122 "2019-05-01T15:30:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Lol if political appointees resigned for putting “positive spin” on a bureaucratic report, we’d have even more turnover. Welcome to politics, bud. The AG is different. There is a tradition of non-interference between the White House and the DOJ. The president is not supposed to instruct the DOJ about who to prosecute or not, for example. It is not the job of the chief law enforcement hour to put spin on the report of an investigation to favor one party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=555) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=557)