# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 573
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11443 "2019-05-14T19:59:52Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Bit late to the thread, but I’d say he was clearly joking and then the first guy took it wrong. Jokes are funny. You’re also the only person to find the humor in it even if I was the first to respond, so not only is your sense of humor questionable, you are outnumbered. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11444 "2019-05-14T21:17:17Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > … so not only is your sense of humor questionable, you are outnumbered. You say that like its a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11445 "2019-05-14T22:27:23Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Bit late to the thread, but I’d say he was clearly joking and then the first guy took it wrong. I dunno. Is there a counter-meme to the _Pimp My Ride_ thing that references previously unexplored levels of hatred? Are counter-memes even a thing? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11446 "2019-05-14T22:57:57Z")
Being that **BPC** appears to have posted extensively in other threads since making his cryptic condemnation and/or joke, I surmise that he either has no plans to resolve the mystery or has elected to keep us in suspense. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11447 "2019-05-14T23:42:00Z")
You know that the media coverage of the Mueller report has jumped the shark when the best guest you can get is Carly Fiorina. That’s what I came across last night while flipping through the channels. I didn’t stick around long enough to benefit from her insight. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11448 "2019-05-15T00:08:42Z")
Media coverage of Trump jumped the shark about six months before he was elected. We’re three or so years past that point now and they still haven’t even gotten around to even writing a cogent explanation of why the Wall is a bad idea, let alone investigating whether or not Trump is compromised in some way. While it was certainly possible that Trump had some form of explicit arrangement with Russia during the campaign, the media were stupid to allow the message to become that Trump is innocent of all wrong so long as he couldn’t be proven to have done that one explicit thing. For all that Russia or anyone may have helped Trump to gain the Presidency, CNN did and continues to do more for him by simple process of being stupid, loud, and easily played. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11449 "2019-05-15T02:15:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You say that like its a bad thing. Because it is. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11450 "2019-05-15T06:59:16Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Being that **BPC** appears to have posted extensively in other threads since making his cryptic condemnation and/or joke, I surmise that he either has no plans to resolve the mystery or has elected to keep us in suspense. In my defense the “mark as read” system here is not great. Sorry, that was a joke. It apparently did not land as intended and I’m very sorry about that. It was supposed to be a humorous overreaction to what, IMHO, is a very cheesy meme. If it helps, imagine it being read in the voice of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Abridged. :o ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11451 "2019-05-15T09:55:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well, if you’re a run-of-the-mill thief, then anything you can lift of value is good - jewelry, clothes, dog food, whatever. > > If you’re an information thief, then there’s only value if you don’t already have that information. If they didn’t take the voter roll, then likely they determined that they already had better information from an alternate source and it wasn’t worth uploading back to themselves - they might have just double-checked a few values to see if the data they had concurred. > > Or, possibly, they did take some data and it simply didn’t leave a record. > > Or, possibly, they did invalidate some voter entries and it just didn’t leave a trace. > > Computers don’t necessarily leave behind a traceable record of everything that ever happened on them, and certainly their mechanisms for doing so are not inviolable. All of that is of course true - but another reason to do this and ‘not do anything apparent’ is to a) prove they can access (to themselves and others) b) cause headaches for the people that maintain the systems trying to decide to trust the current data or not c) once found and reported -the damage is done on voter confidence given our conspiracy laden overlord , regardless of any actual damage. What I find interesting is all of the focus on the ‘voter information database’ (which is important to protect from prying eyes) but its really simply a phone book of people that live in the area - but its used as a way to attack /add conspiracy to the vote itself - and they are too seperate things. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11452 "2019-05-15T12:06:33Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > In my defense the “mark as read” system here is not great. > > Sorry, that was a joke. It apparently did not land as intended and I’m very sorry about that. It was supposed to be a humorous overreaction to what, IMHO, is a very cheesy meme. If it helps, imagine it being read in the voice of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Abridged. :o Okay then. You are free to not die since you indeed have gotten over it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11453 "2019-05-17T13:25:35Z")
It’s says a lot that [this story](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/flynn-told-mueller-people-tied-trump-congress-tried-obstruct-probe-n1006666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma) broke yesterday, and there’s been no discussion of it here that I’ve seen. Michael Flynn was singing like a bird and testified that: _“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation," says the newly-revealed section of a sentencing memo originally filed in December."_ So, not only did Trump’s administration, but some unnamed member of Congress directly obstructed the investigation. And he has the voicemails to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11454 "2019-05-17T13:37:39Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > So, not only did Trump’s administration, but some unnamed member of Congress directly obstructed the investigation. And he has the voicemails to prove it. Anyone going to be surprised if the congressman turns out to be Nunes or the connection is one of his aides? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11455 "2019-05-17T14:21:33Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It’s says a lot that [this story](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/flynn-told-mueller-people-tied-trump-congress-tried-obstruct-probe-n1006666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma) broke yesterday, and there’s been no discussion of it here that I’ve seen. > > Michael Flynn was singing like a bird and testified that: > > _“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation," says the newly-revealed section of a sentencing memo originally filed in December."_ > > So, not only did Trump’s administration, but some unnamed member of Congress directly obstructed the investigation. And he has the voicemails to prove it. It’s hard to keep up with all the disgusting revelations that come out every day. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11456 "2019-05-22T15:22:52Z")
> > [@](#): > > New: Michael Cohen made & received _1000_ phone calls and texts to & from CEO of Russian-linked company beginning on Election Day 2016 - Special Counsel arrest warrants just released due to CNN FOIA request. “… **beginning** on Election Day 2016” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11457 "2019-05-23T21:18:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1131210025442172929](https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1131210025442172929) > > “… **beginning** on Election Day 2016” While I’ll grant that this should be big news, were this 2014 and we were talking about Barack Obama’s personal lawyer, I’m pretty willing to bet that this is not the revelation that you’re thinking that it is. Cohen went out shopping himself as a Trump whisperer after the election. AT&T, Novartis, etc. were paying him. Part of the “etc.” is Columbus Nova, which is linked to Russia. The good odds are that this is that. The alternative is that Mueller somehow left that out of everything. Possible, but Columbus Nova is more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11458 "2019-05-23T21:24:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It’s says a lot that [this story](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/flynn-told-mueller-people-tied-trump-congress-tried-obstruct-probe-n1006666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma) broke yesterday, and there’s been no discussion of it here that I’ve seen. > > Michael Flynn was singing like a bird and testified that: > > _“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation," says the newly-revealed section of a sentencing memo originally filed in December."_ > > So, not only did Trump’s administration, but some unnamed member of Congress directly obstructed the investigation. And he has the voicemails to prove it. Get comfortable. There are going to be at least 50 charges of obstruction against just Trump before this is all over. My conservative estimate. There will be some for a few members of Congress, too. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11459 "2019-05-29T13:43:51Z")
Robert Mueller will be making a public statement at 11:00. (I do not expect this to be big news. My guess is that he wishes to personally rebut Michael Wolff’s [claim](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/28/mueller-trump-obstruction-charge-michael-wolff-book-siege-under-fire-news) that he wrote an indictment of the President for obstruction of justice.) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11460 "2019-05-29T14:02:49Z")
How long after Mueller’s statement (no matter WHAT he says) will it take for Donnie erupt in a geyser of Twitter insults, rage, disclaimers, and lies? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11461 "2019-05-29T14:23:09Z")
I hope he says “Jesus Christ, what the fuck do I have to do in order for Congress to start impeaching that motherfucker? Obstruction of justice like we’ve never seen, all laid out and wrapped up with a bow and a card that says ‘open me first’. Get off your ass Nancy!” What he will say I have no idea. I don’t think it’s to rebut the Wolff claim. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11462 "2019-05-29T14:26:56Z")
Someone just said (I wasn’t fully awake so not sure who, but they seemed credible) that Mueller has characterized his upcoming statement as “substantial.” I have no idea what to expect. I just hope it’s not another Barr-like bitch slap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=572) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=574)